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11/17/2003 Archived Entry: "Just how chickenshit can this guy get?"
Just how chickenshit can this guy get?
His cowardice apparently knows no bounds whatsoever.
George Bush was last night branded chicken for scrapping his speech to Parliament because he feared being heckled by anti-war MPs.The US president planned to give a joint address to the Commons and Lords during his state visit to Britain.
But senior White House adviser Dr Harlan Ullman said: "They would have loved to do it because it would have been a great photo-opportunity.
"But they were fearful it would to turn into a spectacle with Labour backbenchers walking out."
The decision to abandon the speech came as extraordinary security measures costing £19million placed London under a state of virtual siege ahead of Mr Bush's arrival tomorrow.
Roads in Whitehall were closed with concrete blockades. Overhead, a no-fly zone has been established with the RAF on standby to shoot down unidentified planes. All police leave is cancelled.
The only speech Mr Bush, who will stay with the Queen at Buckingham Palace, is now due to give will be to an "invited audience" at the Banqueting House in Whitehall.
What. A. Punk. To the conservatives who have been visiting here lately - how in the wide world of sports do you defend this guy?
Replies: 94 people speak up
He's a coward and a punk for not wanting to be heckled?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 06:57 PM NY
Yep. What would you call it? Heroic?
Geez, that draft-dodging weenie Clinton even put up with hecklers when he was president.
Is Bush so onion-skinned that he can't bear to hear a discouraging word?
And to ask the question again - how can you defend him?
Posted by editor @ 11/17/2003 07:00 PM NY
Clinton put up with hecklers from people that weren't even constituents? When?
He's easy to defend. He's finally erasing the pussy stigma Clinton left us with. How can you not support him?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 07:04 PM NY
Each to his own, i guess, Geoffrey.
I personally think if a guy gets himself elected president, he should be able to put up with people who don't agree with him, and should at least listen to what they have to say.
George doesn't even read the damn newspaper - he gets his news from Condi and Andy.
I guess reading what the 'liberal media' say about him would just upset the boy too much, eh?
Posted by editor @ 11/17/2003 07:08 PM NY
I voted for him to represent me. I could care less if he speaks to the Brits. That's Blair's job.
Could you point me to the source that says he doesn't read the newspaper, but only gets his info from Condi and Andy?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 07:15 PM NY
I pulled this stunt of mine this weekend to generate more traffic on my site from the left. It obviously has failed since few of you have the courage to state such slander on my site. I like how all of you band together like herds of cows do for safety. Come on over to my site and see how well your defense will stand. The gauntlet has been thrown liberals. I will crush you.
Posted by The Real Ragin' Dave @ 11/17/2003 07:22 PM NY
Oh, and BTW, Geoffrey - a Google search turned up these:
Clinton heckled in California (constituents)
Clinton heckled in Ireland (non-constituents)
Clinton's AIDS Speech Draws Cheers, Jeer (constituent, presumably)
Clinton heckled at Russina Duma (not constituents, although you might dispute that)
Clinton heckled in Australia (non-constituents)
Posted by editor @ 11/17/2003 07:23 PM NY
Ragin' Dave - You think I'm afraid of you?
I told you before, your site is just lame.
----
Geoffrey - since you asked:
The full text of President Bush's exclusive interview with Fox News' Brit Hume aired Monday night (9/21/03):
HUME: How do you get your news?
BUSH: I get briefed by Andy Card and Condi in the morning. They come in and tell me. In all due respect, you've got a beautiful face and everything.
I glance at the headlines just to kind of a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves. But like Condoleezza, in her case, the national security adviser is getting her news directly from the participants on the world stage.
HUME: Has that been your practice since day one, or is that a practice that you've...
BUSH: Practice since day one.
I'd like to answer more questions, but I have work to do around here.
Posted by editor @ 11/17/2003 07:29 PM NY
He's an incredible coward, editor. However, he wasn't elected, as you will remember. And before anyone says Bush won Florida--I would point you to the NAACP lawsuit brought against the state of Florida for their illegal election tactics, which Florida settled--fact. Bush is a hypocritical fuck to steal an election and then make speeches about spreading democracy around the world.
It's amazing how people still defend the guy. Bush lies like most of us breathe air and still they defend him. He gets 400 Americans killed, many more injured now with limbs missing for the rest of their lives, causes the whole world to hate the US, not to mention the at least ten thousand Iraqis also killed for his little invasion.
And now he wants to go London but can't face the repercussions of his despicable behavior. Not only is George W. Bush a coward, he's th biggest fucking coward on the planet.
Ragin' Dave--your gauntlet is a swizzle stick, chump.
Posted by dr. menlo @ 11/17/2003 07:38 PM NY
So what you meant to say was: He scans the headlines, then gets briefed by people that read the news. I get it now. How is that a bad thing?
The last link you posted was about Bush being heckled in Australia. Does that mean he's only half a coward because he "sometimes" gets heckled?
dr menlo, you still crying because your candidate lost the election? Get over it, already. Sometimes you just LOSE.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 07:48 PM NY
how much longer to we have to put up with these assholes before they lose interest and go back to abusing their wives/ girlfriends/ children with their backwards ideology and (im assuming) lifestyles. for fuck sake, just go die already. get cancer, overdose, i dont care, just go away!
Posted by justin @ 11/17/2003 08:04 PM NY
Geoffrey, don't you think the Leader of the Free World (cough) should have even a smidge of intellectual curiosity?
Hate to disagree with you, but I think so.
And, nope - not 'half a coward.' Still a full-on coward. His getting heckled in Oz was an accident he seems bent on not repeating in London. Or here in the States too, for that matter - if he isn't afraid of a little heckling, why doesn't he stop by one of his curiously-named 'First Amendment Zones?'
Do you think Bush is interested in hearing opposing points of view? And if not, how is that a good thing?
Posted by editor @ 11/17/2003 08:09 PM NY
Geoffrey Allen here seems to have gone to the Ann Coulter school of logic and debate. When confronted with statements, ask for proof, then devolve into ad hominem attacks on your opponents character when you fail to make your point, and are made to look foolish. I notice you live in Maine GA, how convenient for you, since I live in Los Angeles.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 08:21 PM NY
I don't see you defending your big mouth on Geoff's site Stentor. If you didn't notice there's a post dedicated to you and your chest slapping, fat boy. I guess you prefer being wrapped in the cocoon of liberal love. I served with many Marines, and none were as cowardly or self absorbed as you.
Posted by Real Ragin' Dave @ 11/17/2003 08:31 PM NY
Phew, let me see if I can wade through all this garbage and address your points.
Sorry, internet audie murphy, I don't live in Maine. Nice try, though. You aren't quite as slick as you think you are. I can't comment on your character, since I don't know you. I can say you're a fat ass, though, since you posted your height and weight. I can also draw on past experiences and say most internet audie murphys who crow about their chest salad are really dweebs who have never worn a uniform, or if they had were REMF.
I think the President of the US should represent me. No more, no less. In my eyes, he's doing exactly that. I do think he's interested in hearing the points of view that matter.
Justin, when I get off your ugly wife, you can bring your peach fuzz face back home and I'll return to mine.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 08:48 PM NY
Obviously you haven't checked the comments in the past hour. More name calling, this isn't a flame war RRD. This type of debate is too slow, I'd rather duke it out in a chatroom, that way it's real time. Tell you what RRD, why don't you go over and debate BartCop at Bartcop.com. He'll give you debate if you wish. Since when is being proud of your accomplishments whiny? You people have some fucked-up priorities. Keep up the shit RRD and GA, and you'll get this thread locked too. Be civil, I only respond when provoked, I never started anything with anyone.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 08:52 PM NY
To raise the level of arguement to a Republican level:
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Geor-gie is a wuss!
Georgie is a wuss time a million and no take-backs! so THERE! NYAAH!
Posted by Tog @ 11/17/2003 09:01 PM NY
I'd expect no less from a Liberal.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 09:13 PM NY
GA, that was why I also posted my run time. I don't know too many fat asses that can do a seven minute mile. You're making a judgement based on what you think, not what you know to be true. I've looked at your site, and I see comments, blogroll, other stuff, but nothing about who you are, or even a link to it. Why don't you do us a favor and just tell us, instead of making anyone hunt for it?
So here's the clarification of my arguments GA, the original poster was saying that the others were pacifists. I was in the Marines for six years, I deployed overseas many times, I've done my share in the military and I have something to show for it. I am also against this war, because of who started it, and if you're not outraged, then you haven't been paying attention, excuse me, close enough attention. I had a fellow Marine, Jay Aubin, who I served with, die on March 21st, in a helo crash. He would still be alive if this war had not been prosecuted. When the fake Raging Dave called into question my physical prowess, I posted a few facts to disabuse him of that notion. It's not chest pounding, just a statement of fact. I come from the Midwest, because of this, my family is big, not just big, but tall. I'm 6'1", my father is 6', my brothers are 6'3", and 6'5". Even my sister is tall, she's 5'10", which is pretty good for a woman. Anyway you slice it, we're above average.
I'm not fat, I'm not a whiner, I'm not a bullshitter, and I'm not a wannabe. I've done all the things I've stated, and I have no reason to embellish or lie about it. I'm proud of those things, and the fact that you feel it necessary to denigrate it makes me think that you're a spiteful, petty man, who has no confidence in the character of his chosen pResident, and must resort to name-calling to bring all of us down to the level of your self-esteem.
If you bothered to do any research at all about George Bush, you'd find many disturbing things. My father lives in Texas, and he had to put up with Bush for many years, so he knows his record pretty well. I've grown up with the common sense of teachers, mostly because both my father and step-mother were teachers. Evey time a Republican got into office, all they would talk about was cutting budgets. When they cut budgets in those days, education and schools were always on the chopping block, which is why we have the sorry state of schools in every state today. My father lived with a pittance of a salary, because the politicians who wanted to cut budgets, inevitably ended up cutting his salary. Why do we pay teachers so little? Why does the Republican party want to abolish the Department of Education? You tell me.
Your personal and political attacks to try to belittle me and my accomplishments smacks of nothing more than demonization, and the attempt to make me seem less than human in your own eyes so that you can justify your own opinion. How sad, grow up GA, the schoolyard doesn't exist anymore for you. Were you bullied as a child? Perhaps called four-eyes because of those glasses you wore? If you don't live in Maine, then where do you live? I've told you where I live, I've been open about my past, but you've offered precious little about your own background, perhaps because you fear the type of ridicule you so willingly dish out to others. Go look in a mirror GA, and then go to the library, and read about the pasts of guys like Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, his father George H.W. Bush. You may not like what you find. I'm old enough to remember Nixon, Ford, and Watergate, and I could never understand my parents revulsion for Nixon. Now I know, because I can't stand listening to Bush mouth platitudes like this, "It's a sad, sad day when you lose life." That's the best he can do? Face it dude, he's a fucking moron.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 09:17 PM NY
As usual, Internet Audie Murphy, you aren't saying much. As I said before, all my information has been printed on my site. I don't go around talking about what a war hero I am. If you care to see what I've done, look for it. Heck, maybe I'll post about it again. Many of the people that read my site have known me for years.
You're right, though. I don't believe a word you've said. As I stated before, it's been my experience that the one's who are quick to yammer about what a war hero they are haven't served in more than the boy scouts. 6'1 250 pounds is fat, in my opinion. And it's just that, my opinion. If I had to place money, I'd bet that you are a fat wannabe, who couldn't run a mile, let alone in 7 minutes.
You've proven yourself that you really don't know much about the issues. You just regurgitate what you hear other Liberal's say. You're regurgitating what your parents whined about now. Whiners beget whiners. Did you know that the average teachers salary in Texas is over $10,000 more a year than the per capita income? Check the nsea site.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 09:35 PM NY
Define whining.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 09:38 PM NY
I just shit myself I drank too much
yer still a moran oh crap i pissed my pants agin
now its on my hand
Posted by Geoffrey Allen @ 11/17/2003 09:38 PM NY
whine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hwn, wn)
v. whined, whin·ing, whines
v. intr.
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 09:40 PM NY
I think Stinkor served in Clinton's Queen Berets.
Posted by Real Ragin' Dave @ 11/17/2003 09:41 PM NY
No, GA, I think your definition of whining is reading anything or hearing anything you disagree with, in which case you're full of shit. Nothing I said was childish, and I don't believe I was protesting. Childish is all the name-calling you engage in, instead of any kind of rational debate.
Actually RRD, I served from 86-92, I got out before Clinton took office.
The real problem I have with Duh!bya GA, is that he says one thing, and does another. He praises veterans, then he cuts their benefits, cuts active duty hazard pay, etc. His family engages in cronyist business practices, and his family has a history of doing this, he's done it, his brothers do it, his father's done it, his grandfathers done it, ad nauseum. Shady business deals, moral hypocrite, anti-intellectual snobbery, pretending to be some Crawford cowboy, when really he's a Kennebunkport kid. Republicans want to cut taxes, because they're rich, and their greed knows no bounds. They see government as an obstacle, so they want to do away with it (see Grover Norquist), while at the same time, increasing moral scrutiny for consensual behaviors, applying taboos of religion to the laws of state. After Roe v. Wade, next comes Griswold v. Connecticut (Look it up). The Republican party in its current incarnation is composed of two chief factions, the rich, white, country club Republicans, and the poor, white, fundamentalist Christians. They're Corporate Libertarians, and Personal Authoritarians.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 10:04 PM NY
Stinkor claims "nothing I said was childish, and I don't believe I was protesting. Childish is all the name-calling you engage in, instead of any kind of rational debate."
Well I beg to differ jackass. Childish name calling and bullying threats are the common thread of your posts. Let's visit a few examples.
"why don't you take your sorry ass down to the office of recruitment for Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, and enlist your ignorant war-loving ass."
"Until then, do me, and the rest of the vets who oppose this war, and shut your right-wing, liberal-hating, piehole."
"You fucking conservatives are all the same,"
"Your insecurity, and false flag-waving disgusts me"
"Why don't you move to Afghanistan you fucking warmongerer."
"Until then, don't fuck with blogs you don't agree with, and don't fuck with guys with former Marines for friends."
"I know if we ever meet, you'll come out of it much worse than I do."
"Where do you live now again? Down in your parents basement?"
"Sorry about your mom, I hope her eyes heal up."
and the classic bully threat - "If he came at me with that attitude, his general practitioner, his hospital, his dentist, his orthrodontist, his orthopedist, and his rehabilitation trainer would all be sending me Christmas Cards."
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/17/2003 10:35 PM NY
hypocrite ['hıpəkrıt]
noun a person who pretends to be what he is not
[ETYMOLOGY: 13th Century: from Old French ipocrite, via Late Latin, from Greek hupokrites one who plays a part, from hupokrinein to feign, from krinein to judge]
"hypo'critical adjective
"hypo'critically adverb(ial)
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/17/2003 10:38 PM NY
And those are mostly variations of threats you made, they were basically a parody of the threats you made to me, and to others FRD. Notice I haven't made fun of your post handle, yet you have at least three times. This is all childish bullshit on your part FRD, grow up.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 10:39 PM NY
You are definitely a war lover, and you are ignorant, and you are an ass, so I fail to see where I'm engaging in name calling. Pick up a gun if you feel like defending this war, but stop painting everyone who opposed this war as liberal pacifists. You also seem to be suffering from the same type of low self-esteem that characterizes so many of GA's posts.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/17/2003 10:43 PM NY
did anyone else see the upside down american flag hung on the gates of buckingham palace this morning? it had something written on it, but you couldnt read it, and the "journalists" over at AOL time warner news wouldnt say what it said. still damn funny. that just shows the fact that the brittish are still fundamentally free people. can you imagine any protesters in unmerica getting close enough to the white house to hang anything on the gate (and shes the queen for christ sake, not even an elected official, to whome a reasonable person might expect access of some sort) i cant wait to see bush's welcome in london. i hope our side puts up a worthy showing. i would pay good money (if i had any) to see bush in front of the house of commons. that would be magnificent, because the brits are still involved in their government, and the government is still involved in governing. their legislative branch still legislates, not just a puppet of the executive branch. they have turned their monarchs to meaningless figure heads, whereas we have turned a meaningless figurehead into a monarch. its downright embarassing. i dont think bush could handle 10 minutes of parlimentary heckling. he can barely handle speaking in front of reservists who will be punished if they dont applaud
Posted by justin @ 11/17/2003 10:50 PM NY
Guys, guys, can I get a word in here? Why are you banging your heads against the wall? Bush is like religion or abortion: passions run high, insults fly, shit hits the fan.
I hate Bush, I hate him with every fiber of my being. But I have no desire to convince someone who's pro-Bush to join my side. Likewise, don't waste your time trying to convert me. I truly don't understand why any reasonable, non-wealthy, intelligent American could possibly support the guy. On the other hand, someone on the Right might say the same thing about Clinton.
In any event, tomorrow should be interesting. About 50% of Americans seem to love Bush. Unfortunately a depressingly significant majority of the rest of the world seems to hate him. Fortunately for us, we don't need the rest of the world.
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 11/17/2003 10:59 PM NY
Justin,
I guess that's just the difference between you and I. When I see the American flag flown upside down, I am saddened. I think of my friends who have died with that flag on their arm. I think of those that have been laid to rest over the years with that flag draped over them. It means something to me.
You think it's funny.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 11:17 PM NY
i think you missed the point. its funny in context. the flag was upside down on the gate of buckingham palace, where king george will be staying. i was illustrating a point, the brittish obviousely still have freedom of expression, whereas we do not. besides the flag is just a symbol. the meaning of symbols is ever changing that is the nature of language, symbolism, and semiotics. the physical form of the flag is nothing but simulacra, devoid of any real meaning but its own objecthood. the meaning behind the flag can vary, from a symbol of national pride, to a symbol of rampant tyrany, depending on who you are, and where you were raised. The Flag is no more America than a crucifix is god, it is a symbol, and thus open to interpretation. i personally believe that america is best represented in the symbol of the constitution, and the bill of rights. that is america. why shouldnt the brittish hang our flag upside down? bush is practically wiping his ass with the constitution, they symbolism is the same. besides, your friends tha died with the flag on their arms didnt die for the flag, they died defending our country, and i respect them for it, even if i may not respect those who gave the orders sending them to their deaths in the first place. the flag is just a thing, no different from a sign post, or a tarp. for christ sake, lighten up a bit. you are going to (hopefully) have a stroke or something if you keep going with all that rage
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 12:04 AM NY
Stinkor,
None of YOUR quotes were "variations of threats" or parodies. They were YOU speaking with emotion. Not only are you hypocritical, but you are spineless. You won't even stand behind what you say now? And don't try to twist the words to suit your arguement fatboy.
Your word means nothing. Your Marine Corp fairy tales and your idle threats are nothing more than fiction.
The Marines I knew and served with had balls and stood behind their mouths.
You're a stain on their memory.
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 12:05 AM NY
Nice back pedal Mensa Boy. You're an embarrassment to the men that give you those rights.
did anyone else see the upside down american flag hung on the gates of buckingham palace this morning? it had something written on it, but you couldnt read it, and the "journalists" over at AOL time warner news wouldnt say what it said. still damn funny.
HAHA. Big joke.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 12:10 AM NY
Oh, Really? Let's just compare the two.
You:You fucking liberals are all the same.
Me:You fucking conservatives are all the same
You:Always blaming America for the world's problems
Me:you want to blame the liberals who blame the Republicans for all the world's problems
You:Your self loathing disgusts me
Me:Your insecurity, and false flag-waving disgusts me
You:Why don't you move to Canada you fucking pacifist
Me:Why don't you move to Afghanistan you fucking warmongerer
It's not funny if I have to spell it out for you. Go ahead and deny it, those posts are under your name, regardless if it is the real raging dave, or somebody impersonating RD, it's hard to tell the difference anymore. I am still scratching my head over how I can be saying something with emotion, when I'm typing it out on the keyboard. Posting like this is a much slower process than speaking, it gives you more time to think about what you're going to put down, so I just merely have to shrug my shoulders and say I think you're full of shit. I'll stand behind everything I say, but it's a rather pointless exercise to trade insults endlessly, unless you'd rather put your money where your mouth is, and meet somewhere. Then we can settle this the old-fashioned way, by going from the shoulders, to put it in an old-fashioned way as well.
I think you're the one who's a stain, but it's on your father's leg.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/18/2003 02:23 AM NY
I have to say I agree with GA, I also think it's sad when the American flag is hung upside down like that. Especially when it's some fucking bitch veteran protester, which means that cunt does it for a living.
Just because I am a liberal, does not mean that I am some goddamned tree-hugging hippie. I hate fucking hippies, they are just as nuts as the right-wing militia guys like White Aryan Resistance, or Church of the Creator. They are anti-corporate without knowing why, they want to ban genetic modification of foods without any sort of distinction.
Most of them are so full of shit they don't know what they're talking about half the time. Check out a beautiful series on Showtime by Penn & Teller called aptly enough, Bullshit! which has some really good moments debunking all that feel-good horseshit like feng shui, and Rainforest Action Network.
People are so stupid, P.T. Barnum never spoke truer words. "There's a sucker born every minute."
Posted by Stentor @ 11/18/2003 03:01 AM NY
In any event, tomorrow should be interesting. About 50% of Americans seem to love Bush. Unfortunately a depressingly significant majority of the rest of the world seems to hate him. Fortunately for us, we don't need the rest of the world.
I hate to disagree with you, Metro, but you're wrong; we need the rest of the world. Since the 70's, we've been mortgaging our standard of living to the rest of the world in the form of trade deficits. I've been tracking the currency markets and a blend of US and Euro stocks over the last 3 years to try and determine when this recession will be over (it's fairly common knowledge that a) the rest of the world tends to recover before we do and b) our currency tends to strengthen before a recovery occurs.) Now, some of you might think, "We've been out of recession since 2001!"; I'm talking about the return to sustained growth, increased exports and job creation, of which only the sustained growth has occured. Even the Republicans realize that a strong dollar is good for the US, but many of the Ditto-heads don't understand why - since WWII, the US has been the "broker of choice" for international trade; when Syria wants to trade with Bulgaria, usually they call the US in to make the deal (by executing that trade in US dollars.) That means we get a small piece of each trade agreement out there, adding to the national bottom line. This allowed us to 'borrow' ahead of our means in the form of trade agreements for precious resources (those we wanted to stockpile) and open foreign markets to our goods (via the 'buyer of last resort' clause.) Now, however, we have adopted a soft dollar policy. While that does shrink our overall world deficit, it makes countries less likely to do business with dollars; add that to the effect of George pissing off the world, and you have an exodus of countries using other currencies (like the Euro) to transact trade (historical note: in December of 2000, Saddam announced that he was no longer using dollars to export oil - he was using Euros. Over the next year, he made a few hundred million on the decision. Other Middle East nations started talking about abandoning the dollar. Then we invaded Iraq. Coincidence?) Without that stream of revenue coming in from the US dollar being the trade currency of choice, we are only going to go further into debt with less recourse available to get out of it. Higher debt and lower dependency on the dollar means we won't always get the agreements we want (if Germany and the US both want Vietnam's tungsten, and the US continues to look like it does, then who gets the tungsten?) Less trade means more servicing of the debt, which means lower standards of living for us joe-taxpayers. Weaker currency means less influence and smaller markets, feeding into less trade. Any way you cut it, we need the rest of the world if we like our SUV's, and pissing them off only hurts us.
I sort of summarized a fairly complex idea here. If anyone wants to fact-check, hit Google with "trade deficit" and "international trade agreements" and start reading. If that's too daunting, then look for Greider's "End of Empire" and Buffet's "Why I Won't Buy The US Dollar" for a Cliff Notes overview, but you don't get to criticize if you don't do the research. And, just to head off the critizisms:
a) Yes, Carter started this mess and Clinton expanded it. So did Reagan and Bush the Smarter. Stupidity and bad decisions aren't bound by party lines.
b) No, it *is* important as soon as someone out there starts trading without us; it's already happening. We've got the world credit rating of Argentina, fer Christs sake.
c) Yes, we can get ourselves out of this mess, but it will cost us - *bigtime* - and no sitting administration wants to tbe the one responsible for crippling our economy and standard of living; we'd not only force them out of office, we'd probably run them out of the country tarred and feathered. Would you vote for the guy who dropped our standard of living so low that owning a car was considered a luxury? Or made that $50k/yr job worth $18k? If you think I'm exaggerating, look at Britain - they were in our shoes a half century ago.
Posted by Mixer @ 11/18/2003 08:58 AM NY
He's a coward and a punk for not wanting to be heckled?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/17/2003 06:57 PM NY
Why, yes, he is. A chickenhawk deserting coward, and a weaselly hypocritical lying punk to be specific. Thanks for asking!
So what you meant to say was: He scans the headlines, then gets briefed by people that read the news. I get it now. How is that a bad thing?
Most adults form their own opinions, instead of being coke-spoon-fed their lies and hypocrisy. Good thing we have a dyslexic dolt running the country into the ground, eh, Geoffrey? And a bunch of brain dead idiots supporting him...
I pulled this stunt of mine this weekend to generate more traffic on my site from the left. It obviously has failed since few of you have the courage to state such slander on my site. I like how all of you band together like herds of cows do for safety. Come on over to my site and see how well your defense will stand. The gauntlet has been thrown liberals. I will crush you.
Posted by The Real Ragin' Dave @ 11/17/2003 07:22 PM NY
Feeling a little lonely in your tower of Clinton hatred, moran? There are few of us who need to waste our time with pinheads like you. Drinky McDumbAss wouldn't even be worth an occasional headline if he wasn't the front man for the theives raping, er, running, the United States right now.
Got any more BS to shovel?
Posted by (: Tom :) @ 11/18/2003 10:00 AM NY
Stinkor,
Didn't I say you'd twist your words around? You are quite predictable. Parody, my ass. This is just you brandishing some of your truck stop wit. Well you "forgot" to explain the parody of these "childish" claims? My, what a selective memory you have when it comes to standing behind what you say.
"why don't you take your sorry ass down to the office of recruitment for Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, and enlist your ignorant war-loving ass."
"Until then, do me, and the rest of the vets who oppose this war, and shut your right-wing, liberal-hating, piehole."
"Until then, don't fuck with blogs you don't agree with, and don't fuck with guys with former Marines for friends."
"I know if we ever meet, you'll come out of it much worse than I do."
"Where do you live now again? Down in your parents basement?"
"Sorry about your mom, I hope her eyes heal up."
"If he came at me with that attitude, his general practitioner, his hospital, his dentist, his orthrodontist, his orthopedist, and his rehabilitation trainer would all be sending me Christmas Cards."
and the newest "unless you'd rather put your money where your mouth is, and meet somewhere. Then we can settle this the old-fashioned way, by going from the shoulders"
Not sure waether thats a physical threat or you have a mano a mano gay fetish. I expect the latter.
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 10:05 AM NY
hypocrite ['hıpəkrıt]
noun a person, specifically STNKOR, who pretends to be what he is not
[ETYMOLOGY: 13th Century: from Old French ipocrite, via Late Latin, from Greek hupokrites one who plays a part, from hupokrinein to feign, from krinein to judge]
"hypo'critical adjective
"hypo'critically adverb(ial)
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 10:09 AM NY
spineless ['spaınlıs]
adjective
1 lacking a backbone; invertebrate like STINKOR
2 having no spiny processes
example: spineless stems
3 lacking strength of character, resolution, or courage
'spinelessly adverb(ial)
'spinelessness noun
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 10:10 AM NY
By the way Stinkor,
I looked up on google the weight standards for Marines. You are indeed a fatboy. At 6'1 you're weight should be 205. Get back on the treadmill fatty.
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 10:12 AM NY
Mixer,
That was one excellent post. Yes, I believe a weak dollar, soaring current account deficits, and soaring federal budget deficits will lead to a world of pain. Unfortunately many of these concepts are highly esoteric and, quite frankly, boring. Most people can't get their heads around these issues. Check out the pablum on the cable news stations. The networks are hardly any better.
By the way, I was being sarcastic about the US not needing the world. Sorry if my sarcasm didn't come through.
===================================
Justin,
Your comments of 11/18 @ 12:04 (on symbolism) are the best you've ever done. The current vitriolic remarks on this blog remind me so much of the late 60's/early 70's. Except at that time I was super pro-Nixon and super pro-Vietnam War. Then I grew up. Too bad so many of today's neocons (30-35 years ago they were called "hawks") don't realize that America's best weapon is econimic, not military. The Vietnamese crushed us on the "battlefield" in southeast Asia. Now they manufacture merchandise for us using virtual slave labor. There's a sad irony in there somewhere. Think Ho Chi Minh is turning over in his grave?
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 11/18/2003 12:57 PM NY
Wow, fun happy little group of trolls you got going here editor. Ahhhh to live in a world where it's admirable for our President to conceal himself in an idealogical bubble and pretend there aren't hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people who are wiling to protest him, let alone millions who can't stand his policies. It must be nice.
Posted by Jason @ 11/18/2003 01:15 PM NY
spineless ['spaınlıs]
adjective
1 lacking a backbone; invertebrate like STINKOR
2 having no spiny processes
example: spineless stems
3 lacking strength of character, resolution, or courage
'spinelessly adverb(ial)
'spinelessness noun
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 10:10 AM NY
4 current pResident of the United States, George W. Chickenhawk Deserter Bush. Afraid to listen to any criticism of his policies. Prone to throwing tantrums in the international arena when other countries do not acknowledge his dominion over them.
hypocrite ['hıpəkrıt]
noun a person, specifically STNKOR, who pretends to be what he is not
[ETYMOLOGY: 13th Century: from Old French ipocrite, via Late Latin, from Greek hupokrites one who plays a part, from hupokrinein to feign, from krinein to judge]
"hypo'critical adjective
"hypo'critically adverb(ial)
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 10:09 AM NY
A person who defends the cowardly chickenhawk Bush junta, even when they cut veteran's benefits after promising to 'take care of the military'.
Sorry, pissant, you were saying?
Posted by (: Tom :) @ 11/18/2003 01:25 PM NY
to stentor and geoffrey, ive learned long ago to just leave the flag alone. it means a lot of good things to a lot of good people (and a lot of not so good things to a lot of good people as well) you see a palestinian, or an afghani burning an american flag
and to them they are not burning the symbol of freedom, equality and national pride that we see them burning, they are burning their perception of america, a super power that has spent most of its modern history exploiting and underdeveloping the third world, and overthrowing local democratically elected governments, in favor of US friendly strong men (like saddam hussein, and the former shah of iran, dont forget we are responsible for all of that) many people who know no english know the words "yankee go home". both perceptions of the flag are equally true, there is no such thing as absolute truth, or if there is it exists outside of human perception and interpretation. it makes me sad as well to see the american flag hung upside down, but for a different reason. to me it is sad that our national symbol has come to mean the evil things that it does to the rest of the world. beleive it or not, i love my country too, i love it enough to stay here and try to change it,if i didnt i would take the easy way out and leave before the real clampdown starts, by then it might be too late.
and by the way, that flag was not hung on the gate by some professional protester hippy, it was hung up there by an 80 year old woman who climbed up there herself and hung it.
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 01:47 PM NY
did anyone else see the upside down american flag hung on the gates of buckingham palace this morning? it had something written on it, but you couldnt read it, and the "journalists" over at AOL time warner news wouldnt say what it said. still damn funny.
Posted by justin @ 11/17/2003 10:50 PM NY
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 01:53 PM NY
to mixer/ metropolitan, economics is boring and esoteric, but it is the minutia that killes you. god/the devil is in the details as they say. the simple fact is that the lifestyles that we enjoy here in america are unsustainable. we cannot continue to borrow indefinately, and destroy the environment, and rely on fuels that may run out in our lifetimes, or our grand childrens lifetimes at the very latest. when we buy $1000 handbags while others starve, it sets up a great deal of resentment in the rest of the world. there is in fact only a set amount of resources in the world, and barring great advances in space travel, in order for you to have something, it means that someone else cannot have that thing. social darwinism is great, when you are on the winning side, but you had better expect to have to do some things you wont be proud of to stay on the winning side. i think we can all agree that terrorism is deplorable, however, you have to admit that they have a point, they just dont express it rationally. not that we would listen if they did
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 01:57 PM NY
look asshole, i know what i said, repeating it doesnt make your point any more valid. i think that i have properly explained myself twice now, and have wasted enough of my time on your stupidity. if you cant understand subtleties, that is not my problem. my favorite part about you people is that when you have no real point you resort to calling people fat, and insulting their wives. i for one feel sorry for whatever you are fucking, im sure she has probobly never had an orgasm, and is filled with self loathing every time you touch her (im assuming its a her, you dont strike me as a log cabin republican, they at least come off fairly enlightened, although i dont know why any self respecting gay man would be republican, its like a black man joining the KKK) more likely an it actually, good doggie
Posted by justn @ 11/18/2003 02:02 PM NY
Tommy Boy,
You got any original thoughts or do you just cut and paste other peoples? No wait, that was a parady, like your boyfriend Stinkor uses.
Posted by Dave Raging Away @ 11/18/2003 03:02 PM NY
"it makes me sad as well to see the american flag hung upside down"
"the "journalists" over at AOL time warner news wouldnt say what it said. still damn funny."
Is it just me or are these crossed messages. Fair to say Justis, you are full of shit. Keep back pedaling cunthead.
Posted by Dave Ragin Away @ 11/18/2003 03:06 PM NY
so, lets take a vote, who is the more annoying troll, the real raging dave, the fake raging dave (although i cant tell the difference), or geoffrey? any ideas?
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 03:10 PM NY
Justin states "my favorite part about you people is that when you have no real point you resort to calling people fat, and insulting their wives" and proceeds to prove his point by saying "i for one feel sorry for whatever you are fucking, im sure she has probobly never had an orgasm, and is filled with self loathing every time you touch her (im assuming its a her, you dont strike me as a log cabin republican, they at least come off fairly enlightened, although i dont know why any self respecting gay man would be republican, its like a black man joining the KKK) more likely an it actually, good doggie."
Justin,
you are a person of many contradictions. Safe to say, again, that you are full of shit.
Posted by Raging , Raging Away Dave! @ 11/18/2003 03:11 PM NY
whos back peddeling? i do believe ive explained myself already, but if you insist i will try again. i now know what it must fell like to teach special ed classes (although most retarded people are very nice, and not mouthy conservafucks like you)
i explained why it is funny, i also explained why it is sad. they are for 2 different reasons. i know that you people can only see in absolutes, but believe me, there is such a thing as a gray area. besides, most of the things that i find funny also make me sad. that is the point of humor, either you laugh about something, or you cry about it. i am capable of both
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 03:21 PM NY
not to be childish, but you started it asshole. fuck with me and i will retaliate. i may not be a marine, but i will still fuck you up if you attack me
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 03:25 PM NY
Internet Audie Murphy (which he admitted he doesn't get, since he's never heard of Audie Murphy) obviously has far too much time on his hands. Fat ass took the time to track down my address, college, and phone number, then give me a call. I knew he was sweet on me. Oddly enough, he sounds dumber on the phone than he comes across in text.
Are all liberals stalkers, or is that just a trait he holds?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 03:58 PM NY
Tommy Boy,
You got any original thoughts or do you just cut and paste other peoples? No wait, that was a parady, like your boyfriend Stinkor uses.
Posted by Dave Raging Away @ 11/18/2003 03:02 PM NY
Well, Moran, you got it partly right. More than the rest of the Repugnicants you're blowing these days.
It is spelled parody, knob gobbler. Do you have any idea of how stupid that makes you look? Aside from your cowardly attacks on real Americans, and your lack of any logic at all, the bending over and taking it in the ass from the Bush junta is just too much.
And, Justin, these guys are amusing, not annoying. Sorta like watching Drinky McDumbAss when he tries speechifying without the TelePrompter. They seem to be fallinf all over their dicks trying to avoid answering any real questions. Somehow, I missed all of Geoffrey's reasoned responses when Google showed the Chimperor doesn't even read the newspapers, and Clinton could allow dissent to be heard within his presence (unlike the Selected One). And Rabid Dave seems to be in full-bore AnnThraxx mode - all he has is cheesy, overdone insults towards the people whose arguments he doesn't like. It would be funnier if it wasn't so sad...
I couldn't read everything on that flag when I saw it earlier today, but the last line said "Bush - you're not welcome here". Good to see that dissent is tolerated in some countries still...
Posted by (: Tom :) @ 11/18/2003 04:04 PM NY
true, i suppose they are more funny (and sad at the same time) than annoying. i just miss the flow this blog used to have. its hard to get a real discussion going with a bunch of LD students in the back of the room throwing spitballs and making very lame personal insults like the sad, unloved little boys they are. maybe if their mothers had hugged them a little more they would have turned out human. on the other hand, they have provided me with hours of entertainment at the same time, so i suppose i should thank them for making me laugh so much
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 04:48 PM NY
I guess you must have forgotten the next thread, where I'm actually agreeing with someone and you have to drag the insults from here over to there. Can you say "hypocrite"? I knew you could.
My new signature:
Internet Audie Murphy (which he admitted he doesn't get, since he's never heard of Audie Murphy) obviously has far too much time on his hands. Fat ass took the time to track down my address, college, and phone number, then give me a call. I knew he was sweet on me. Oddly enough, he sounds dumber on the phone than he comes across in text.
Are all liberals stalkers, or is that just a trait he holds?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 04:55 PM NY
werent you the one yesterday bitching about different conversations being seperate? or was that dave? you two sound so much alike i cant tell you apart
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 04:58 PM NY
Weren't you the one yesterday bitching that different conversations can't be seperate?
Internet Audie Murphy (which he admitted he doesn't get, since he's never heard of Audie Murphy) obviously has far too much time on his hands. Fat ass took the time to track down my address, college, and phone number, then give me a call. I knew he was sweet on me. Oddly enough, he sounds dumber on the phone than he comes across in text.
Are all liberals stalkers, or is that just a trait he holds?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 05:11 PM NY
does anyone actually have anything interesting to say, or should we just consider this conversation played out? i think this was about the point that he closed off the comments yesterday anyway.
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 05:27 PM NY
Well, you could come to my page and vote on whether or not I should turn Stentor in to his company for being a psycho.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 05:30 PM NY
well as far as your comments go
"The stupid fuck decided to harrass me from work. Duh, like I wasn't going to call the operator and have the call traced as soon as I hung up. What an assjockey. Why the fuck would you call from work? Anyway, I'm sure ====== at ====== Corporate Security would look into =======, CA and will be more than happy to pass the information I have on to the "powers that be" should I decide to call the cops" (pardon my editing, but i dont need the legal problems that can come from publishing peoples personal info on the internet)
i dont know that the cops would really care, unless you have some proof of personal threats (and dont think that comments on a blog would hold up in court, since you were both threatening eachother). his employer on the other hand might care, since he did call from work, however that would be a pretty shitty thing to do to a person over an argument, but then again, you seem like a pretty shitty person, so i guess its all relative, and you are obviously going to do what you want anyway
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 05:51 PM NY
Yeah, because taking an argument on the internet with someone you don't know, tracking down the person's address, school, and phone number, then actually calling them isn't the least bit creepy.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 05:56 PM NY
i made no judgement on creepyness, i simply said that last i heard, finding public information, and calling someone was not a crime. as far as taking an argument on the internet into real life, thats the chance you take. there are some real psychos out there, you never know what some one is capable of. i wouldnt be surprised if you do piss off the wrong person some day, and they just might track you down and go psycho on you (dont worry, that person isnt me, i only believe in killing in self defense)
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 06:03 PM NY
I would be surprised if it was illegal. I doubt it is. That isn't the point, though. The point is it's creepy, and not something I care to experience habitually. I'm confident that despite the legality of it, his business would put a stop to it.
Someday someone may track me down. It's a chance we all take. The same could be said for you. However, unlike Chicago, we can own guns here. I'm willing to put the new deadly force laws to the test. They say you can shoot someone on your front lawn now, and don't even have to wait until their in the house.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 06:06 PM NY
yeah, gun controll is the only issue i agree with you people on. here in chicago there are millions of guns, and none of them are owned by law abiding citizens, they are all owned by gang bangers and other criminals.
i actually made a misstatement though about there being no legal guns in chicago. you are allowed to own a non pistol grip shotgun, but only with a 3 round capacity and a full length barrel, it also must be unloaded, and locked up, pistols and all other guns are illegal, as are pellet guns and paint guns (you can own crossbows though) it really pisses me off, ive been lusting after a brass plated .50 desert eagle for years, and now, even if i could afford the $1600 price tag i couldnt own one. i think i will buy a nice 12 guage though when i get some money saved up. sorry off topic, just bitching. as far as deadly force laws go, i used to have a friend who's dad kept an unregistered pistol in his house so that he could put it in a burglars hand after he shot him. he was a crazy dude though
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 06:16 PM NY
If the only issue you agree with me on is gun control, then you're wither one of the rare all around liberals, or a sheep. I've seen many liberals, heck, I talked to one on the phone today, that don't choose their party by where they fall on the issues, but choose where they fall on the issues by the party. The latter is hardly free thought.
I fall on the liberal said on the fence on a few issues.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 06:29 PM NY
very well, gun controll is the only issue i agree with you on so far as i know. i dont know you personally, but ive disagreed with you on everything else ive heard you say, other than the fact that you shouldnt call someone you are arguing with online
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 06:34 PM NY
and yes, i am one of those rare all around "liberals" although i really prefer the term leftist, because your stereotypical liberals (including most of the current presidential candidates)are such cry baby pussies, if you are a senator, or a congressman, you shouldnt be telling people what you would do if elected, you should be telling people what you did the last time they elected you, if they had such good ideas, why havnt they done anything about it their entire political careers.
that said, i fall to the left of the democratic party on most issues, except for all the whiny "what about the children" bullshit that people like tipper gore (christ i hate her) use to take awayour first ammendment rights, and gun controll. the constitution is the law of the land, as far as im concerned if you fuck with the bill of right, Dem or Repub, you are a traitor
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 06:42 PM NY
Not much to say now Stinkor?
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 07:14 PM NY
yeah, i would be interested to hear from stentor again. for that matter, where is everyone else. i feel like this is the justin and geoffrey show at this point
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 07:17 PM NY
christ, wouldnt that be a miserable sitcom? "the justin and geoffrey show" with raging dave as comic relief
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 07:19 PM NY
Stinkor must be on the treadmill or maybe sweatin' to the oldies...
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 07:59 PM NY
or maybe he is in his car, driving to where ever geoffrey lives. only time will tell, maybe we will see it on the news tomorrow
Posted by justin @ 11/18/2003 08:09 PM NY
I'm done with this conversation, it's nothing more than a giant pissing contest at this point, and it's only about seeing who can make the other guy mad.
GA, your registration information is available on one page, on register.com. One search, that's it. There was no extensive research to anything. I called the number because I was wondering if it was legitimate. You sounded much more civil on the phone than you do in your posts, since you still feel the need to call me names. I called you during my lunch hour, not on company time. If you want to get me in trouble for calling you from work, that's your decision, but I think it's a pretty low thing to do since there was no intention of harassment on my part.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/18/2003 09:06 PM NY
Funny, I didn't know they had anything about USM on register.com. You obviously did some poking around.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 09:26 PM NY
I went to register.com, that's it, nothing else. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/18/2003 09:37 PM NY
I did look it up. It says nothing on there about USM. Maybe no one else does, but you and I both know you're lying. Unless, of course, you can point out to me where it mentions USM on register.com.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 09:44 PM NY
I just posted the explanation on your website. I entered your hometown into mapquest.com, because I had no idea where it was. The map shows the University of Maine.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/18/2003 09:45 PM NY
Anyway, it's done. Swear at me all you want here. Cover your walls with pictures of me and masturbate. I don't care.
Just don't call me. If you continue to thrust yourself into my home, I'll thrust myself into your work. As it stands now, I won't. It's a clean slate.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/18/2003 09:59 PM NY
Open mouth and insert foot Stentor, you stalking freak.
Posted by Ragin' Dave @ 11/18/2003 11:10 PM NY
I've created a bumpersticker that rotates at the top of my site:
BU**SH**
Stole your rant about this thread and put it up for the amazement of all, in my rant category. :) I'm officially Begging Forgiveness.
: )
Posted by Graphictruth @ 11/18/2003 11:13 PM NY
RD, you insert both your feet everytime you post, and embarass yourself. Why don't you drop the name-calling? It's getting a bit old. Go back to the aol chatrooms, I'm sure there's plenty of other junior high kids you can debate with.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/18/2003 11:32 PM NY
A little associative calulation may be in order here....
If the truth needs no defense...
(true or false)
And lots of money seems to be spent on security (defense)
(true or false)
And 'open and free' speeches are presented only to those who hold agreeable views
(true or false)
Then perhaps there is no truth present with 'mr appointed not elected'...
(true or true)
Posted by Aristophanes @ 11/19/2003 09:40 AM NY
i dont think any rational person could argue with that logic. bush is absolutely undefendable. that is why all the people coming here lately to argue have had to resort to name calling and personal attacks. they have absolutely no logical arguments to make. bush will be remembered by history as a tyrant. and i dont think that we have even seen the worst of it yet.
Posted by justin @ 11/19/2003 01:39 PM NY
Ahhh, more Liberal whining from the "wah we lost the election" camp.
At least this site is consistent. One liberal posts an off the wall comment with outlandish accusations, containing no fact or merit, and Justin jumps in and pats him on the back. It's quite the dog and pony show. You guys should take your act on the road.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/19/2003 01:49 PM NY
first of all, i was agreeing with a simple, logic based argument.
second of all, "we" (and i use that word loosly because i cant stand al gore, anyone who would marry that self righteous bitch tipper doesnt deserve to hold any political office) "we" didnt lose the election, the election was stolen. there were thousands of minority voters expunged from the voting rolls due to imaginary felonies, as well as many other infractions of peoples voting rights (in democratic areas) either way, there is nothing to be gained from rehashing this argument. bush is president for (lets hope) one more year, the damage that he has done to this country may take 50 years to undo, but that is the price we pay for allowing our government to get away with what it has done.
Posted by justin @ 11/19/2003 02:42 PM NY
If the election was stolen, and theft is illegal, why hasn't he been charged?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/19/2003 03:13 PM NY
most likely because he appointed the goon that runs the justice department. either way, bush is president, and whining about it wont change anything. on the other hand, lets hope that voting will change something (although with the new voting machines being manufactured by a major republican contributer, and the fact that the voting machines have no print out, and are (from everything i have read) fraught with innacuracies, glitches, and the potential for abuse, i dont know that we will ever have a real election again. remember how everyone laughed at saddam being re-elected by 100% of the vote? i dont think the republicans would even be that stupid, but the results could be just as laughable. the loss of democracy is not a good thing, it may seem like it is when your side is winning, but it wont when our children are slaves in a system of corporate feudalism, regardless of what your political views are
Posted by justin @ 11/19/2003 03:23 PM NY
The more you post, the more I realize you just really aren't that bright.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/19/2003 03:36 PM NY
never mind, go back to sleep, im sure things will be fine. the end is nowhere nigh, no matter what environmental science tells us. im sure our corporate masters will treat us fairly, and im sure you and your descendants will be treated well for your subservience to them. its all fine. dont worry, any argument can be solved by calling someone paranoid, stupid, or insulting their wives, mothers and sexuality. just go on your merry way. as i said, everything is fine, go back to sleep. i for one chose to fight back
Posted by justin @ 11/19/2003 03:53 PM NY
