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11/21/2003 Archived Entry: "Horrifying."
Horrifying.
Randi Rhodes' producer Tim Allan Walker went to Miami to cover the anti-globalization demonstrations yesterday, and got shot with rubber bullets at close range by Miami PD storm troopers.
You can hear the audio here and see pictures here. He clearly identified himself as a member of the media, and was shot from about three feet away. As he tried to get out of their way, he was shot in the back.
What the fuck is this country turning into?
Replies: 61 people speak up
That's what happens when protestors won't play nice. Innocent people get hurt.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/21/2003 04:58 PM NY
Eh. I'd buy that, except for the fact that he wasn't among the protestors - he was in a separate area populated by the media.
Sounds like cops wanting to try out ther non-lethal weapons to me.
Posted by editor @ 11/21/2003 05:06 PM NY
It's hard to tell from radio. I watched it on CNN yesterday, too. The cops were jumpy, admittedly. I did see journalists mixed in with protestors, and groups of protestors breaking away from the pack and running at police several times.
The unions impressed me, though, and refused to be recruited by the group of anarchists.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/21/2003 05:11 PM NY
It goes to show that the "jack-booted thugs" that the Republicans warned us about during the Clinton years appear to be a for-hire outfit, rather than bound by a single party. Between all the Liberal vs Conservative bickering, people tend to lose sight of the overarching truth: politicians will do anything to a) consolidate their power and b) get re-elected. That's why presidents tend to do more (and more closely to the way they believe) during their second term, when they have nothing to lose or strive for.
Posted by Mixer @ 11/21/2003 05:59 PM NY
Wonder what our troops and the Iraqi's think about the fact that the 8.5 million used to pay for the added security to shoot cameramen in Miami came from the 87 billion that was desperately needed for Iraq?
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/tuesday/business_f37a8244463e20d7007f.html
Posted by djhlights @ 11/21/2003 06:55 PM NY
"That's what happens when protestors don't play nice. Innocent people get hurt."
What a dumbass statement. So journalists get shot in the back when protestors 'don't play nice'--? As a witness to more than a few police riots, I can tell you that protestors 'playing nice' has got little or nothing to do with protestors getting beat up. At the WTO protests in Seattle, it was the cops who set off gas before the first window was broken--a fact often unmentioned for the corporate friendly version, which has existed till this day, "Police must do what's necessary to stop violent protestors." Utter bullshit. I remember with absolute clarity being with a bunch of steelworkers not even in the "No free-speech zone" when the police opened fire without warning. The forces that be want to beat down dissent, plain and simple. Everyday during the WTO protests I would come home and put on the news and be astonished at what I saw (and didn't see) there. Fox News once called the protestors "mobsters."
But then rape victims deserve what they get, too, for wearing skirts, right, Geoffrey?
Posted by dr. menlo @ 11/21/2003 07:11 PM NY
yeah, the police do usually start the riots. in my home town, when they change to daylight savings time, the bars close at 1 instead of 2 am. every year the people in the bars leave and go out into the streets to go home (my home town is a college town with 42 bars for less than 50,000 people, and 20,000 are drunk college students)
every year they are greated by a wall of riot cops with wooden bullets, tear gas and clydesdale horses, and every year the cops basicly start a riot (admitedly it is all very stupid, and probobly a very bad example, since these people are just drunk, not protesting anything).
At the protest here in chicago last march i personally whitnessed real police brutality, and there wasnt even a single act of violence or vandalism on the protesters part, even after the police violence started. granted we didnt have a permit... but still, it was a completely peacefull protest, and the cops just fucking savaged people, dragging them on concrete, beating and trampling them, and holding about 1000 of us hostage for 4 hours, without ever making a single statement of what they wanted us to do over their bullhorns, they just stood there surrounding us for 4 hours, assaulting anyone near them. scary shit, it changed my life for damn sure
Posted by justin @ 11/21/2003 07:56 PM NY
"That's why presidents tend to do more (and more closely to the way they believe) during their second term, when they have nothing to lose or strive for.
Posted by Mixer @ 11/21/2003 05:59 PM NY "
jesus, if bush isnt doing what he really believes now, we are really fucked if he gets re elected. the end is obviously really fucking nigh!
Posted by justin @ 11/21/2003 07:58 PM NY
I was listening to Randi's show from Wed. last night (delayed a day since I can't listen live... working graveyard shift) and I seem to recall someone making a comment that the cops were just itching for an excuse to use the shiny new toys they'd been issued.
Mike Malloy made a point the other night - when the protests against Disappearing Dick Cheney happened in Rochester and Albany, the police there were acutally agreeing with the protesters about what a creep Dick is. Maybe it's just me, being an ex-Rochesterian/New Yorker, but I somehow get the feeling that, in the latter case, the cops weren't issued the pepper spray and rubber bullets and all that fun stuff the Miami police had. (I don't know about Albany, but Rochester is not a wealthy city, and I'm assuming they don't have the money to militarize the police as bad as Miami. Also they didn't get no 8.7 million from the government .)
Possibly - just possibly - y'think it's giving them the stuff that creates the impetus to actually use it on someone?
Posted by Tog @ 11/21/2003 08:37 PM NY
Oh great, does this mean that I'm gonna get the shit beat out of me when I protest the Republican Convention in NYC next year? I've never been to a protest in my life. Does the fact that I'm a clean-cut, middle-aged Caucasian male make me immune from being roughed-up?
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 11/21/2003 09:41 PM NY
HEY, Stranger!!!
STOP interrupting my need to know every detail about the HUUUUUGE Michael Jackson Story that is shaking the foundations of our Nation in its broad-reaching implications to World Peace and Stability with these inane fluff stories. One word-- DISTRACTION!
actually, I am absolutely HORRIFIED, having listened to the clip, and seen the pictures, at what our "Law Enforcement" Agents deem appropriate responses. Every report from this protest stated that the protestors-- "kept well-away from earshot of the meeting"-- were well-behaved, and acting within their rights. Molly Ivins has the score-- "Creepin' Fascism, that's what we're looking at."
I hope Tim has a good lawyer, these pigs are toast.
Posted by MONKEYFISTER @ 11/21/2003 11:06 PM NY
anyone at the republican convention is very likely to get the shit beat out of them. this is the big one. i dont know if being a clean cut white dude will help you not get beaten, but it cant hurt. i dont know if its the fact that im a clean cut (for a protester anyway) white guy that kept me out of jail, but id be willing to bet it has more to do with the fact that i made sure to keep a decent physical distance between myself and the police. that seems to be the real trick, if you are with in a batons reach, you will most likely be spending a night in jail (or a hospital).
hell, at this convention in NY it will be lucky if no one is killed. its going to be ugly
Posted by justin @ 11/21/2003 11:28 PM NY
by the way, all of this michael jackson crap is cutting into my kobe and laci coverage
Posted by justin @ 11/21/2003 11:31 PM NY
HAHAHA, yeah, it's all the cops fault. I always laugh watching all the beat up liberals crying on CNN about the fascist oppressors. You know what's funny? The AFL-CIO arrived, did their protest, ignored the idiots screaming at them to get off the bus and participate, then drove off. Nothing happened to them.
I can't wait for the Republican Convention either. I'll be there. One of you bastards will see how far you can push it and I'll get to see your beat down from ring side seats. Just look for me. I'll be the guy in the Armani pointing and laughing at the stupid hippie.
Posted by Geoffery @ 11/22/2003 01:39 AM NY
Sorry, Geoffrey, but you're wrong on that.
If you go to Randi Rhodes' web site and listen (I included the link in my original post), you'll hear about a number of people - media, union, and elderly - who got roughed up in one manner or another by MPD.
Of course, Limbaugh referred to the elderly today as 'human antiques,' saying they were 'worthless' - so I guess they don't count, eh?
You'd like to think that it was just 'hippies' being beat down, but it wasn't. Go check the audio - it's all right there.
Posted by editor @ 11/22/2003 02:12 AM NY
Gee, Geoffrey, thanks for once again proving that conservatives are the compassionate ones, you brownshirt dickweed. And that you can't get your story right ("nothing happened" vs. "these hippies deserved a smackdown"). You've obviously got a spot waiting for you in the Reich.
I *DO* so hope you're at the Repug convention - and the nice policemen mistake you for a protestor.
Posted by Tog @ 11/22/2003 07:32 AM NY
take a look at whats going on in georgia (the country not the state) now those people know how to protest. that would be a good model for the convention protest.
Posted by justin @ 11/22/2003 12:35 PM NY
I did listen to the audio clips before I commented. That's why I said "It's hard to tell from the radio". I also saw it on tv, and if you'd read my comment, you'd see where I described what I saw.
I WILL be at the convention, however, the cops won't mistake me for a protester. I won't be wearing all black and a bandana covering my face.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/22/2003 03:07 PM NY
Why is it when all you cuntheads hold your "Peace" Marches or Demonstrations, they always end in violence?
Like animals, you can't contain yourselves. The VIOLENCE was ignited by the VIOLENT actions of the protesters. The video footage of the ENTIRE demostration illustrates this beyond a doubt.
We're not talking about some hippy woman from the 60's putting a flower in the barrel of an M-16, we're talking about a mob of people that accosted and attacked our officers of the law.
The disobedient peaceniks got what they deserve. I applaud the actions taken against them.
Posted by Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/22/2003 03:24 PM NY
Hey, "Ragin' Cajun" -- I'm sure Rush has a good rehab program he could recommend you for when you come down from tripping.
Posted by Tog @ 11/22/2003 03:59 PM NY
I have come to expect a simpleton reply like that from liberals. No stance, no defense, just mindless spew.
Posted by Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/22/2003 04:02 PM NY
does anyone know wheter this is the real raging dave or the fake one? i cant tell personally, they both seem to be assholes to me. just wondered
Posted by justin @ 11/22/2003 04:34 PM NY
What are you going to send Stinkor to beat us up again? You're token "Marine" has fled the field of battle if you haven't noticed.
I like the title of this Post -"Horrifying". I guess you liberals find it "Horrifying" that society just sent you a message that it's not OK to behave like animals.
Posted by The Real Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/22/2003 04:39 PM NY
does (no capital)
wheter (misspelled)
cant (no punctuation)
i cant tell (no period) personally,
i cant tell personally, they both seem to be assholes to me. (run-on)
just wondered (wrong tense)
In only three sentences, Justis shows us all how fucking stupid he really is. I expect we'd all see better command of the English language from third graders. Aren't you embarrassed in the least bit Jusits? I, for one, am. I'm embarrassed for you.
At any rate, I'm glad you're on their side.
Posted by Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/22/2003 04:47 PM NY
take a look at whats going on in georgia (the country not the state) now those people know how to protest. that would be a good model for the convention protest.
Posted by justin @ 11/22/2003 12:35 PM
Ahhh yes, you guys just want to peacefully exercise your right to freedom of speech. It's the police that over react.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/22/2003 04:55 PM NY
I want to personally thank BLAH 3 and it's loyal readers for giving us Justis. No matter what you post, or how well you argue, Justis is there to illustrate how fucking stupid the liberal movement and ideals are. Surely, Providence alone must be responsible for this gift to the Conservatives.
Thank you BLAH 3, thank you loyal readers, and thank you Providence for this incredibly stupid man, Justis.
Thank you for the "Useful Idiot."
Posted by Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/22/2003 05:05 PM NY
Hey RCD, you little aol troll, some people have a life outside the web. I have to work, so that means I don't have time to follow up every asinine comment of yours. But I'm still here, and your name-calling doesn't bother me. Like I said before, go back to the AOL chatrooms, maybe you can swap advice about popping zits, and the best lube for waxing your wiener with the other eighth graders.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/22/2003 11:35 PM NY
Ragen Cajun, you are really just assuming that your civil rights will never be taken away. If you think that dissent and protests are unpatriotic, then you should move to Red China, Cuba or North Korea, where you can tow the party line and NEVER QUESTION
AUTHORITY.Dissent is patriotic and an American tradition. You are not a Cajun you are a Nazi.
Posted by Liberal Cajun @ 11/23/2003 01:01 AM NY
Hey Justin, did anyone ever tell you that you are a really serious jerk and as far as you bragging about your wardrobe, I am sure your boyfriend picked it out for you. You are the type of guy who is a hawk but cringes if he is asked to fight for his country. You are all mouth and no action.
Posted by Liberal Cajun @ 11/23/2003 01:05 AM NY
JUSTIN, APOLOGIES! I meant that nasty post to someone else! Sorry.
Posted by Liberal Cajun @ 11/23/2003 01:08 AM NY
Never did Dave say protests and dissent were unpatriotic. He said people who participate in violent dissent and protesting should complain when they get their skulls split open by the cops.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/23/2003 01:34 AM NY
Stentor,
You actually get any work done or are you too busy stalking people from the web? Fucking pussy. How about you have the balls to post your information public? Then come talking. Did that pun go over your head?
Liberal Cajun,
I am an advocate for American's speaking loud and clear, alone or in mass. Violent mobs and civil disobedience are not the proper avenues for exercising the freedom of speech. BTW - nice job shitting on your boyfriend Justis. Dumbass.
Jusitin, thank you for being you.
Posted by Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/23/2003 10:23 AM NY
There is a way for a mob in Miami to be violent and not get that tratment fropm the Miami PD. All you have to do is be a right-wing Cuban goon.
Posted by Dr. Squid @ 11/23/2003 02:28 PM NY
Dr. Squid,
My recommendation for you is to start using spell check. Like Justin, you have a poor command of the English language. Until that point, don't expect to be taken serious. Dumbass.
Posted by Ragin Cajun Dave @ 11/23/2003 02:34 PM NY
Here's a hint for the right-wing moron: When calling someone on their typos, don't let your grease-oozing fingers type a sentence like this, "Until that point, don't expect to be taken serious."
You're welcome, cunt.
Posted by Dr. Squid @ 11/23/2003 03:32 PM NY
Dave:
After further review, you're still a cunt, boy.
Posted by Dr. Squid @ 11/23/2003 03:33 PM NY
AT THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION IN
NYC 2004 , Oh nice officer , I
think that smiling fool over
there in the " ARMANI " may be
a terroist .LOL LOL LOL .
Posted by Edward @ 11/23/2003 04:12 PM NY
I'd love to see you do that. If fact, I'll pay your bail in the morning and buy you breakfast. The hospital bill you'll have to pay for yourself, though.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/23/2003 04:27 PM NY
Since the protestors went there dressed to RIOT, are you suprised the police took action?
Still what amazes me most, is that the protestors are either lying or fools since their actions do not help their stated goals.
Posted by Vulture @ 11/23/2003 05:07 PM NY
I loved the picture of the protestor in Miami, dressed in black, wearing a sweatshirt with the collor that covers your lower face and black gloves. She was getting her split head patched up. I'm sure she was just a peaceful protester. She was dressed like it.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/23/2003 06:15 PM NY
"Hippies?" Did someone up-thread actually use the expression "hippies"? I haven't heard that epithet in about a quarter century. For those of you who support Pres. Bush's policies, might I make a few suggestions for all your sloganeering needs:
"Better dead than red."
"America, love it or leave it."
"No peace without honor."
[peace sign] = "The footprint of an American chicken."
Fortunately for us Iraq bears absolutely no relationship with Vietnam. None, zip, nada.
Ah, what I wouldn't give to be driving around in my old '68 Chevy Bel Air.
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 11/23/2003 09:26 PM NY
he does have one good point. if we protested dressed like respectable people, it would have more impact. unfortunately, you have to expect trouble, so the bandanas really are necessary. you need something to cover your face when the shit hits the fan, its just common sense. does anyone know any more about what is going on in georgia? it looks like a beautifull thing at the moment, a group of protesters overthrowing a corrupt government, but its too early to see what is really going on. even the conservatives here have to admit that they had a warm fuzzy feeling seeing the berlin wall falling, or the revolution that brought down communist russia. its a thing of beauty to see the people take back their power by any means necessary. i just hope that things go well for them
Posted by justin @ 11/23/2003 09:44 PM NY
That's right. You guys have to wear masks and gloves to avoid injury. It has nothing to do with the fact that you are breaking the law and want to hide your identity. Throwing rocks and bottles, breaking windows, lighting fires, and flipping cars is all just self defence.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/23/2003 10:37 PM NY
RNK says it best.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/23/2003 10:50 PM NY
i have never in my life thrown a bottle, or a rock, lit a fire, broken a window, or flipped a car, and in fact i would probobly beat the shit out of any protester i saw doing any of that, it only hurts the cause. the bandanas are for 2 reasons, 1) it offers a small amount of protection from tear gas, and 2) it protects you from prosecution simply for being seen at the event (dont try to tell me that they are not keeping databases on known protesters, some word of that has even been on the "news") all of the protests i have been to were in the winter, try standing outside in february in chicago for 6 hours without gloves... besides, i really doubt that any police officers would really fingerprint a protest so i dont see how that would help someone who is trying to get away with something.
Posted by justin @ 11/24/2003 03:56 PM NY
What about the protestors in Miami with gloves? What did they need them for, splinter protection?
Have you ever had the crap kicked out of you by a cop while protesting?
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/24/2003 05:18 PM NY
And as an aside, a bandanna offers zero protection against tear gas. Nice try, though.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/24/2003 05:20 PM NY
I am so sorry I'm such a stupid loser.
ignore everything I have written today. as usual. I am beneath your notice.
so sorry. please let me lick the boots of my betters on this blog ( that would be everybody with an intelligent brain, I guess).
I don't have much of a brain.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/24/2003 05:45 PM NY
well, i said a small amount of protection. techincally it is supposed to be a bandana soaked with vinigar. either way, i wouldnt know, ive never been gassed, thats just what ive heard. i would imagine that the best way to protect yourself from tear gas would be to leave the area, which would certainly be my plan. and no, to answer your question, ive never had the shit beat out of me by a cop, but ive seen a lot of people who were doing nothing wrong (outside of protesting peacefully) get the shit beat out of them, i was smart enough to not be within 30 feet of the cops, and lucky enough to not get beat up regardless.
and by the way, before you accuse me of it, that last post supposedly from you was not me. someone else obviously hates you too
Posted by justin @ 11/24/2003 07:15 PM NY
besides, bandanas just look cool, although i usually wear mine on my head, not my face.
like i said, im not an anarchist, i go to protests, but i go there to express myself, not to damage property, or to commit acts of violence. if you want to know the motives behind the protesters in miami, you would have to ask them. either way, it looked like the cops were instigating most of the violence themselves (although the grappling hooks were going overboard a bit on the protesters side, people need to realize that they are not in a movie)
Posted by justin @ 11/24/2003 07:18 PM NY
There were several groups of protestors there. The ones that protested, stayed where they were asked, then boarded the busses and left had absolutely ZERO problems with police.
The ones that stormed the lines, yelled at the cops, threw water bottles, and broke windows got the shit kicked out of them. Rightly so, in my opinion. Again, RNK says it perfectly. You wear wool gloves in Miami at a protest when you are looking to make trouble. That's the bottom line. Regardless of how stupid I truly think you are, regardless of your excuses, regardless you your misconception that bandanas help against tear gas (with or without vinegar) we both know that the vast majority of these protests end in violence because of the groups of protesters that CAUSE the violence.
As for the person that posts as me, I'm not the least bit bothered. We all know it isn't me. If the scared liberal actually had a valid argument, he'd post it. Instead, he realizes I'm right, realizes he can't do a thing about that, so he puts he anger and self-loathing into words. I'm ok with that.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/24/2003 07:51 PM NY
yeah, it is definately stupid to rush the police. they have kevlar body armor, helmets, shields, clubs, and guns (and the ones in miami apparently have armored personell carriers, which seem like a bit of overkill). besides all that, it accomplishes nothing, and only hurts the cause. some people just show up at those kinds of events with no purpose other than to fuck things up. i think any one that is at a protest to express themselves politically would really rather that those people were not there.
i will give you one point, if someone is commiting acts of violence, or vandalism, they deserve to have the shit beat out of them, if they did that in chicago i would help beat the shit out of them personally (this is my city, i have to live here, dont fuck with it)
on your second point, i have to disagree with you. i went to 3 protests here in chicago last winter/spring, one on february 15 (the day that totaled 15 million worldwide), one in early march (i dont remember the date off hand), and one on march 20th, which was the first big protest after the war.
the first 2 of these were completely incident free, and actually very enjoyable experiences, the third on the other hand turned into an orgy of police brutality and abuse of power. i was there, and i can tell you for certain that no acts of violence, or vandalism were committed by a single person who i saw the police beating on. the police lines were not rushed, no windows were smashed, no cars were overturned... the demonstration was certainly an act of civil disobediance, but it was completely peacefull, as far as the protesters go anyway. the people that were beaten were sitting down on the ground, or standing on the sidewalk chanting. i cant personally attest to any other protests, but at that one, the protesters absolutely did not start the violence, or even commit any acts of violence even after the trouble started. the most violent act i saw anyone commit was sitting down on the ground becoming dead weight. the chicago police department has a long history of abuse of power and police brutality, it is one of the most corrupt cities in the country (the governor actually had to pardon everyone on death row in illinois because the chicago police tortured people [black people mostly] into confessing to murders using cattle prods to the genitals, and actually pushing people against hot radiators. there were enough proven cases of confessions of innocent men through tourture that they had to commute everyone to a life sentence, and even let severall people free entirely)
but thats really not the point, im just saying that in my personal experience, the police started the violence. im sure that the black ski mask types start their share of trouble some times, but i dont think that most of us claim them.
Posted by justin @ 11/25/2003 12:41 AM NY
Why were they being dragged off? Were they where they weren't supposed to be? Were they blocking traffic? Were they blocking business? Were they impeding on the rights of others? If the answer to any of those questions is yes, then they deserve to be dragged away.
Did they struggle? Did they resist? How did it go from being dragged away to being beaten? Did the cops just walk up and start pounding? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/25/2003 11:35 AM NY
From reading the comments here, it seems some of us are a tad naive about what the police are capable of without provocation. I forgot who said this first, but, you know that group of jackbooting thugs the right wing was warning us about under Clinton? Turns out they were a for-hire operation.
http://www.bartcop.com/0877.htm
Scroll down about 3/4ths of the way (or just do a Ctrl-F on the words "choke hold"). That is from about a year ago.
Now go to http://jeffcrook.20m.com/mad.html and look at the second photo; it's of a cop, behind a barricade and out of harm's way, standing calmly, serenely even, pepper-spraying protestors.
Wake the hell up people. What was grandma doing with that sign that necessitated her being choked with a billy club, anyway? Anyone?
Posted by conceptninja @ 11/25/2003 01:22 PM NY
DOH!! It was Mixer who "first said it," up near the top of the page. Ahh, Tuesdays.
Posted by conceptninja @ 11/25/2003 01:25 PM NY
DOH!! It was Mixer who "first said it," up near the top of the page. Ahh, Tuesdays.
Posted by conceptninja @ 11/25/2003 01:25 PM NY
What we might want to add to conceptionlessidiot's spin is that the "peaceful" protesters who are being pepper sprayed had just rushed the barrier.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/25/2003 02:20 PM NY
well, hopefully, once the tide has turned (and it always does) and your side is once again on the bottom, i hope you are content to just write letters to your senator to express your outrage with the way the world is going. if not, i will enjoy seeing you beaten by the same police, serving different masters. democrat, republican, it doesnt matter, power corrupts. the government will always be the enemy of the people, as long as we live in a darwinist capitalist society. power serves the wealthy, or maybe wealth serves the powerfull, either way, some day you will have convictions strong enough to make you go out and protest something, and then you will understand. on the other hand, maybe you will never understand, and will simply be content to be a sycophant to whoever is currently in power in our fine oligarchy. that is up to you
Posted by justin @ 11/25/2003 02:41 PM NY
I've been to numerous protests. The stupid liberals always have their groups there to yell at us, regardless who's in office. Since liberals can't control themselves, they are the ones I see getting beat down. See, liberals are good for something.
Posted by Geoffrey @ 11/25/2003 08:32 PM NY
Spin my ass. You can clearly see the protestors in the picture aren't "rushing" the damn barricade. But I see you've now resorted to the right-wing's ultimate logical argument: name-calling. Good job.
Posted by conceptninja @ 11/26/2003 10:08 AM NY
"You actually get any work done or are you too busy stalking people from the web?"
Yes, unlike your junior-high ass, I actually have a job, I don't live in my parents house anymore, unlike you, and therefore must go out and earn the money to pay for those things you take for granted, like your computer, AOL account, and your jumbo-sized container of Astro-Glide.
"Fucking pussy."
More name-calling. You seem to want to project your own insecurities and low self-esteem onto others. Maybe you should ask Mom & Dad for some counseling, or a subscription to girlsgonewild.com so you'd have something else to do all day.
"How about you have the balls to post your information public?"
You first. I've seen nothing but fake e-mails in your info, so why don't you post yours first, and then we'll see?
"Then come talking. Did that pun go over your head?"
Dude, I'm probably much taller than you, so I doubt it. I hear most men who are Republicans tend to be on the shorter side. Also, tall men tend to earn more than short men. Both those articles appeared on CNN.com and Yahoo.com. Look it up, otherwise, shut your piehole. Parlez-Vous Francais? Fermez-Vous Se Trou De Tarte.
Posted by Stentor @ 11/26/2003 04:13 PM NY
