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12/14/2003 Archived Entry: "Saddam.... captured?"
Saddam.... captured?
So, I wake up at 4AM and can't go back to sleep. I've been working on a new flash movie for the past two hours or so, and I decide to take a break and check out Yahoo News. And what to my wondering eyes should appear.....
U.S. military captured a man in the basement of a building in Tikrit, Iraq, during raids seeking Saddam Hussein, and initial efforts to verify his identity indicate he is the deposed Iraqi dictator, U.S. officials said."It certainly looks good," one senior U.S. official said, cautioning more scientific testing, possibly DNA, was being done early Sunday morning to try to confirm the identity.
The official said the captured man's appearance did not immediately look like Saddam, but additional efforts to ascertain his identity indicated he was the former leader.
The officials spoke only on condition of anonymity.
We shall see.
The next question is - if they've got him, what are they going to do with him? Off to Guantanamo? The Hague? Andrews AFB?
What if he starts telling all? I predict a 'shot trying to escape' scenario. Or he's one of those doubles Saddam used to keep around. Remember, Saddam had his doubles 'modified' to look more like him, even down to replicating markings and other features.
Like I said, we shall see.
Replies: 22 people speak up
I'm glad you're awake for this. Wow, Tony Blair was just quoted (partially quoted) as saying "he was glad... Saddam Caotured..." Crazy stuff. I hate to say this, because I'd love to see things settle down over there, but... Merry Christmas Dubya!?! I don't like the sound of that.
Posted by dm @ 12/14/2003 06:56 AM NY
Am I mistaken, or has Randi Rhodes been predicting "saddam for xmas"?
Posted by Tog @ 12/14/2003 08:20 AM NY
Am I to believe that just because Saddam was allegidly captured, all violence is going to stop in Iraq, and the system will be rebuilt in a matter of weeks now?
To me, it appears that Saddam, who was found hiding in a hole in the wall literally, was not mastermining anything. So the only thing we know for certain, is that IF it is Saddam who is captured, then he won't return to power ever.
I can't wait to see the positive spin GWB puts on it... I found Saddam... I've got him... the administration will probably never mention Osama's name again.
Posted by sellursoul @ 12/14/2003 09:43 AM NY
It's Saddam alright.
I was foolish to criticize and oppose the Empire. Death to the Republic, long live the Emperor!
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 12/14/2003 10:03 AM NY
I was kinda wondering the same thing.. what will they do (and not just with him)? It should be obvious to anyone with a pair of working brain cells that just because saddam is captured, does not mean the violence will stop. I'm curious to see how Faux news explains that away. Bush cannot afford to keep him alive either, lest he begin to spill the beans on EVERYTHING.
Posted by dj dissent @ 12/14/2003 10:37 AM NY
I'll bet Saddam's trial will be at the same time as the Presidental election.
Posted by kkane @ 12/14/2003 12:37 PM NY
Saddam's capture is just a booby prize. People who are all pumped up with pride need to remember that this tragic disaster is not some football game or some spy movie.
We haven't won anything. All we get for our trouble is a mountain of dead bodies and ruined lives, a big fat debt and now, an Iraq power vaccuum that we can't fill and the babysitting gig from hell.
It's like, we were at negative 50 and now we are bumped to negative 10 or something. Haven't quite made it back to zero. But hey, we're #1, we're #1, we're #1...
Good job by the troops, The Unelectable One deserves no credit.
Posted by Dr. Damfa @ 12/14/2003 02:11 PM NY
what do you guys mean by "telling all" and "spilling the beans"? What could Saddam say that would have awful repercussions for us?
Posted by Lily @ 12/14/2003 02:22 PM NY
Good question Lily. I can only speculate seeing as how I'm not privy to a lot of classified information. My guess is he could spill the beans about his contempt for Osama bin Laden, and how there never was any connection between them. Also about how he got rid of the weapons of mass destruction years ago.
It doesn't really matter because no one should believe a word that a homicidal dictator says, and most likely no one will believe anything that Saddam says either.
Posted by sellursoul @ 12/14/2003 04:53 PM NY
Actually, I think Saddam's capture will worsen the situation. The Shites - the majority population in Iraq - have played ball with the US largely out of a fear that Saddam could return to power. Now, they're free to seek to be the dominant power in Iraq, which would result in a forceful effort to drive the Americans out.
Posted by Carter @ 12/14/2003 07:36 PM NY
you are all insane.
Posted by ed @ 12/14/2003 08:47 PM NY
you are all insane.
Posted by ed @ 12/14/2003 08:47 PM NY
This won't change a thing. The USA is still stuck in a shooting gallery that will only get worse as the power vacuum worsens. Even so forget giving any credit to President Chimp. It was US Forces that did the work for the coward in the whitehouse who's afraid of his own people. He can't even walk on Main Street USA without bullets flying twards his sorry ass. Arguably the most hated man in the world. GEORGE W. Coward Bush
Posted by Paul @ 12/14/2003 09:55 PM NY
Ed,
You are correct. We've all been insane with bloodlust and greed these past three years. I am insane with grief over the loss of my Beloved Republic.
Can't...silence...the...voices...in...my...head...
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 12/14/2003 10:07 PM NY
Well, Lily, the beans that Saddam could spill are:
Who gave him the money for WMD? (Answer: Reagan)
Who sold him the WMD for the money that Saint Ronnie gave him (Answer: Rumsfeld)
Whose "'American' company" broke the UN sanctions to sell Saddam stuff during the 90's (Answer: Cheney)
Who gave Saddam the nod to invade Kuwait? (Answer: Bush's daddy)
Who refused Saddam's offer for inspections and elections? (Answer: Shrubya)
Posted by Old Fashioned Patriot @ 12/15/2003 06:08 AM NY
So, the INC say he was found with a false beard, yet Sanchez says at the news conference they shaved him. The video shows 'Saddam' pushing his beard as if to stick it back on - watch it next time and see if he doesn't!
If the INC is right, why did he have the falsey on, but state to the troops that came to get him that he is indeed Saddam? If they shaved him, why not do it for the video to prove that it is him? We all know what Photoshop can do.
And what of the rumored ZZ-Top CD found in his hideout? As the man says: "We shall see".
Posted by EoE @ 12/15/2003 06:52 AM NY
Geez... in my state of altered consciousness from watching too much Reality Television, I completely forgot about Reagan giving Saddam all that money in the glorious 80's.
BTW... lmao at the ZZ-Top CD.
Posted by sellursoul @ 12/15/2003 08:18 AM NY
Kudos to the troops. Hopefully, the Iraqui people will feel safer. However, the capture of Saddam has little to do with the war on terrorism, and will not make US citizens any safer. It's similar to arresting someone who beats his wife and kids. Good for the family, but don't expect violence from gangs to abate. Then again, there is the matter of having a truly useful plan to help the citizens of Iraq adjust to their new situation....
Posted by Larry @ 12/15/2003 10:57 AM NY
well, we can bet he wont be tried in any international court. america isnt a signator to the international court. besides, they would give him a fair trial, and most likely allow him to tell his side of the story (which as has already been said here would be very bad for bush's daddy, not to mention rummsfeld)
the tricky legal guestion is: what status do you give to the legitimate leader of a soveriegn nation that you have invaded and overthrown illegally?
the answer to that probobly is something along the lines of "shot trying to escape" after some illegal interrogation, of course.
they probobly will arrange for his trial to be around the election, if he gets one. dont expect him to be allowed to speak though, they will probobly just give him to the shiites for execution and be done with it, after all milosavic talked alot durring his trial, and we cant have saddam corrupting the minds of the worlds servant class with falsehoods about how we put him in power, or how we sold him the chemical weapons (and gave him the OK to use them on iran and the kurds)
Posted by justin @ 12/15/2003 12:18 PM NY
Well, OFP, those facts are nothing that any member of the American public who has been paying attention for the last 20 years doesn't know... ie those are old beans. I still don't understand what Saddam could say that could hurt the Bush administration, or that they couldn't spin as stunningly as they always do.
Posted by Lily @ 12/15/2003 08:21 PM NY
you just answered your own question. "those facts are nothing that any member of the American public who has been PAYING ATTENTION for the last 20 years doesn't know"
Paying attention is the key phrase.
The ability for the average American to doublethink is not particularly strong (hell, their ability to singlethink is not too good either). Their beliefs are based on what they are told. They dont believe that we gave Saddam those weapons, or that we gave him the ok to gas the Kurds and Iranians, they probobly think the French did all of that. If they hear saddam saying all of those things on television, it will burst their little bubbles, and they dont know what to believe. The average American is just teatering on the edge of self awareness, we can only hope to push them over reality
Posted by justin @ 12/16/2003 02:52 PM NY
teetering on the edge of self awareness... i like that. we still get to watch cable and go to drive throughs when we become self-aware, right?
Posted by Lily @ 12/16/2003 10:25 PM NY
