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02/15/2004 Archived Entry: "What if we've all been barking up the wrong tree?"
What if we've all been barking up the wrong tree?
In the wake of the Bush-AWOL story blowing up, a lot of people are focusing on the fact that Bush was somehow disciplined and re-assigned from TANG. It appears as if Bush was booted from TANG for something, and there is much speculation regarding what the cause of the suspension was.
Some say drugs, some say the Guard just wanted him out because he was worthless. But there may be a reason that no one has brought up yet, and I've been thinking about it today.
At the same time that Bush lost his clearance to fly, bin Laden business partner - BCCI scandal participant - close Bush family friend James R. Bath was suspended as well. People have speculated that it was because Bush and Bath were drug buddies, but let's consider another possibility here.
What if there was something else going on between Bush and Bath - something that would have shocked the macho military types in Bush's guard unit? What if Bush and Bath were caught doing something that only involved drugs on the periphery, but would have been enough on its own to have anyone lesser than a politically-connected son of wealth completely drummed out of the service?
What if we've been looking for the wrong scandal this whole time? Just asking.
Replies: 25 people speak up
do you think thats why bush is such a homophobe? most homophobes are gay and ashamed of it... even if hes not, its a good rumor. bush is a homo, pass it on (not that theres anything wrong with that) unless your a republican hippocrit that is...
Posted by justin @ 02/15/2004 04:22 PM NY
Probably ought to be a Constitutional Amendment against that sort of thing...
Posted by ROGNM @ 02/15/2004 04:22 PM NY
Do you mean something having to do with Bush's enfatuation with other guy's smiles????? The mind boggles! This is something for Michaelangelo Signorile to look into. Bath's secret life, if it exists, couled be easily found out.
Posted by Andre @ 02/15/2004 04:24 PM NY
Hmmm I dunno but wouldn't that cause Andy Sullivan to finally check into the Drooling Academy?
Posted by salvage @ 02/15/2004 05:01 PM NY
You might want to check this out: http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_xymphora_archive.html#107674026960243173
Xymphora asserts that we're all being thrown off the scent with this AWOL business, that we should instead be concentrating on why Bush was required to do community service in Texas.
If you look as the documents that've been made available, we see that James Bath, a future Bush investor (acting as a front for Osama bin Laden's older brother!) appears to have been disciplined (or something) at the same time as Bush.
As I look at all of this I get a gut feeling that something really huge is hiding here. Many people have theorised that Bush was busted for cocaine possession. I wonder if it might be even more serious than that, i.e. that he was picked up for *dealing* cocaine, probably with Bath as his partner. Whatever this is about, it's about more than a minor AWOL charge and Bush and company are scared shitless about the potential of it being revealed.
Posted by Thurber Hamm @ 02/15/2004 05:12 PM NY
the thing that i dont understand is why he would be worried about cocain in a drug test. cocain is not fat soluble like pot, it is out of your system completely within 48 hours ( i know people who used to do coke on fridays, because their job piss tested, and they always passed on monday) unless bush was into other drugs, or unless he is such a degenerate junky that he couldnt hold off for 2 days before his test, its not like it was even a surprise test. as a matter of fact, i used to know a guy in the army who smoked pot regularly (which takes 2 to 6 weeks to pass a piss test). he was friends with the office woman who scheduled the tests, and she always gave him a few weeks warning so he could detox, he never got caught. im sure a guy with bush's connections could have gotten away with just about anything (well, clearly he did get away with something)
something just doesnt make sense. it cant just be drugs (although maybe bush didnt know how long it takes to be clean, so he was just scared to take the test) either way, i think this is just the tip of the iceberg. keep digging
Posted by justin @ 02/15/2004 05:26 PM NY
No dirt on the TANG days, but CBC (Canadian Broadcast Co.) had an interesting interview concerning the Bush/Bath connection in the years since then. Verrrry eeenteresting... :0
Posted by NeoLocoFoco @ 02/15/2004 11:38 PM NY
Just want to add my two cents.
This rumor has been flying around Texas for YEARS.
That the real reason Bush boy was kicked on out was because he was caught effing and sucking his way around the guard unit.
GWB is gay as the day is long. I'd stake my life on it.
The rumor mill has it that he and James R. Bath were caught drunk + in a car + in uniform + with cocaine in flagrante delicto...
Posted by Keeping my name out of it... @ 02/16/2004 12:12 AM NY
The first time my wife saw GWB strutting around in that pseudo cowboy walk, she said, "He's gay." She's never been wrong about who is and who isn't among our circle of acquaintances.
Posted by Monkeypox @ 02/16/2004 01:01 AM NY
In 1971, Bush and Bath were hired by Stratford of Texas to fly around Florida and travel to Central America looking at "plant nurseries." Of course, the idea of drugs being ferried through Florida and Central America flight routes is totally off the map. :-) Bush was employed by Stratford for 4 years. (US embassies bio)
His community service for Houston's PULL Project began in January 1973, after a "drunk"-driving incident in December 1972, allegedly on his father's advice rather than a judge's order. A purged arrest would account for why Bush, after working on an egregiously racist, dirty-tricks filled campaign would suddenly volunteer at an inner-city program that worked with Hispanic and African American youths. Bush bragged about his PULL work in some 2000 campaign material but now his press office won't answer questions about it. Hmmmm.
Posted by Peanut @ 02/16/2004 02:26 AM NY
we queers can't win. Especially on this site. Rush is gay. Bush is gay. Hell, even homophobes are gay! It floors me to come to a site, expecting to be among like-minded politically active, intelligent people, but instead I find people using the "I bet he's a faggot" line! You all sound like a bunch of fucking idiots! And frankly, you sound like you're running out of any real material. Now some of you are throwing around your straight girlfriend's "gaydar" as evidence! Well, you want to know the REAL truth, and problem with Bush? HE'S A STRAIGHT, NARROW MINDED FRAT BOY! In other words, HE"S a fuck of a lot more like YOU than ME!!
Posted by oh please @ 02/16/2004 10:09 AM NY
Yeah ... we need to focus on facts and not silly stuff like whether Bush is gay or not. I could care less. HE HAS 2 GIRLS so he may be BI. I don't care. I care about more important things and I would hope most people would agree with that assertion.
Posted by gammarock @ 02/16/2004 10:47 AM NY
I think you are missing the point. I don’t think any of us have anything against gay people. The point is that bush is a hypocrite, not that he's gay. I simply pointed out that most people who are as homophobic as bush, are homophobic because they have gay feelings that they are ashamed of. I had a friend in high school who was homophobic as hell, but when he got a few (well, more like a few dozen) beers in him he would start making out with guys. I do get your point though, if I were gay, I certainly wouldn’t want bush to be gay, and I would be offended to be compared with him in any way. Im just saying that most people who are extremists have a deep down psychological dichotomy (such as the fact that Hitler had very little Aryan heritage, or the fact that Strom Thurmond had black children) I don’t know if bush is gay or not, but people generally hate others who remind them of what they hate about themselves. Don’t imagine persecution where there is none, and by the way, no one here used the word "faggot" but you.
I do agree that this is a very frivolous issue however. After all the man is a liar, murderer and a traitor who comes from a long line of nazi sympathizing industrialists, if he was gay it would almost humanize the little monster a little. On the good side, if he did turn out to be gay, I doubt he would have any chance of passing his constitutional amendment bullshit.
Posted by justin @ 02/16/2004 02:42 PM NY
The Progressive Southerner's article on Bush's time in Alabama had this tidbit:
Winton Blount's son Tom, an accomplished architect who designed the Shakespeare Festival Theater in Montgomery, remembers well his encounter with Bush. He recently co-produced and underwrote a telling movie called The Trip, set in the period from 1973 to the early 1980s, about a young gay Texan and his conservative Republican lover. The son known as "Tommy" said he ended up in the same car with Bush, with Bush driving, on election night.
Disclaimer: In the article, Blount didn't insinuate in any way that Bush was gay-closeted but did comment on his promiscuous, hard-partying lifestyle at the time.
I wouldn't regard same-sex experimenting as proof that someone's gay (much less see it as shameful) but then my world view isn't shared by Shrub's handlers, military regulations or the religious right.
Posted by Peanut @ 02/16/2004 03:41 PM NY
oh, please,
Never said 'faggot.' Never would.
I'm just speculating, as I am wont to do. Earlier this week I speculated that Bush was maybe busted with a large amount of cocaine. I just have a habit of rattling this stuff off.
Sorry if I offended you. Definitely not my intent.
Posted by editor @ 02/16/2004 03:58 PM NY
The document that indicates Bush was being disciplined for refusing to take his physical also notes the same for his buddy James Bath, the fellow that was used as a front for the investments of Osama bin Laden's older brother. The more I look at this the more I believe that Bush and Bath were busted for cocaine, but not the mere possession of it, rather the more serious charge of dealing it.
As trained fighter pilots, flying a small Cessna (a near perfect vehicle for smugglers) would be a piece of cake. Both pilots were of the "get rich quick" school of thought, more greedy than ambitious. Mexico was notoriously lax at that time with regards to drug smuggling, and the Texas border was virtually unpatrolled. I can't help but notice how nervous the White house gets when Bush's *community service*is brought up, and how they refuse to address it. Why was Bush working with inner city kids? He certainly displays no inner urge to help those less well off than him, so one is inevitably led to the thought that this service was not of his own volition.
One can almost hear his dad talking to the judge..."George and James are good boys at heart....you know how foolish kids can be at that age! It was all a big misunderstanding, an innocent mistake", as he opens his checkbook to write a big fat one. The Bushies have much to worry about. Americans might accept a president that did what he could to get out of the draft, even one who snorted cocaine (even a LOT of it) as a young man..... but a drug dealer? No, I don't think they'd let that one slide.
Posted by Thurber Hamm @ 02/16/2004 05:21 PM NY
Is this the James Bath they called "Steam"?
Posted by Just Askin @ 02/16/2004 10:58 PM NY
I know no one used the word. But how different is the accusation without it? Do you think saying "Bush is a homo, pass it on" is really different?
I don't think you meant to insult. But I am trying to piont out that there is a certain threat posed to the gay community when our "lifestyle" (I hate that term) is used as an accusation to try to bring someone else down. What then, by extrapolation, are you really saying about gay-ness?And at this particular moment in politics, I feel the need to quash this kind of talk when I see it among my peers, because it fosters a desensitizing that could ultimately threaten my family. I do get the dichotomy thing. I really do. But I am seeing this from a different perspective.
Okay, so I'm sensitive. But I've been spending a lot of time fighting this Constitutional ammendment. It is foremost in my mind these days. Perhaps that is the drive behind your insinuation, and wouldn't it be beyond ironic, etc. etc. When our government is poised to make anammendment to the constitution that would TAKE AWAY human rights, and those rights are MINE, I am a bit of a raw nerve, to say the least.
If ever it were to be discovered that there was a homosexual dalliance on the part of "our president" I'd like to imagine that the backlash would be revolutionary. However, with all the KNOWN FACTUAL lies and crimes that don't seem to impede his rule, my hope is weak on that one. But until that day, he's in your sexual orientation club, okay?
Posted by ohplease @ 02/17/2004 10:19 AM NY
May I rephrase? Upon reflection, it bugged me that I used the phrase "quash this kind of talk". Far be it for me to limit anyone's speech, and I honestly would never endeaver to do so.
Perhaps I should have said something about seeking clarity.
Sheesh, nothing like a defensive, sensitive ,pc homosexual. It's exhausting, I tell ya.
Posted by ohplease @ 02/17/2004 11:08 AM NY
May I rephrase? Upon reflection, it bugged me that I used the phrase "quash this kind of talk". Far be it for me to limit anyone's speech, and I would never edeaver to do so. Perhaps I should have said something about seeking clarity instead.
Sheesh. Nothing like being a defensive, sensitive, pc homosexual. It's exhausting, I tell ya. I blame Bush. (there's a good pun in there, if you're paying attention).
Posted by ohplease @ 02/17/2004 11:15 AM NY
Sorry if you took offense at "bush is a homo, pass it on” I suppose that could be taken badly. Im just so used to talking to people who I am friends with (a lot of whom, are gay) and who know that im not in the least homophobic, and that im kidding. Tone of voice doesn’t come across very well on the Internet, as I keep finding out. Believe me, im 100% on your side. I am for gay marriage, im for any kind of marriage that involves consenting adults (well, those who are not any closer related than cousins anyway) I also think it is discriminatory that we don’t recognize polygamous relationships when people move from countries that allow polygamy. Its damn time that the religious right stops forcing their degenerate culture on the rest of us. They have certainly made a mockery of marriage, using it as a weapon, against women, gays and non Christian cultures, if they want to save marriage in this country maybe they should focus on not treating their wives like property, and leave the guidance of culture to the grown ups....
By the way, we don’t want bush in our sexual orientation club either. Can’t we just agree that no one should have sex with George bush?
Posted by justin @ 02/17/2004 01:34 PM NY
Agreed!
Posted by ohplease @ 02/17/2004 02:01 PM NY
AWOL is just the tip of the iceberg. Thurber Hamm above rightly points to xymphora's posts which (along with Helen Thomas) point to the community service, the missed drug test, the Bath connection and the Saudi-CIA connection.
Before being president and vice president, Dubya's dad was CIA director.
It's all one big beast of coverup and possibly blackmail, and its tentacles include Iran-Contra, CIA dope deals, Saudi repression, BCCI, the bin Laden family and, of course, a day called 9/11.
Posted by skimble @ 02/17/2004 02:56 PM NY
if only there were a way to make any of that stick, we could not only take down bush, but every president since nixon (and probobly the rest of the governent too) unfortunately these people are professionals (the cia i mean, not bush) and they dont leave much evidence, not to mention that most americans just dont care.
Posted by justin @ 02/17/2004 03:06 PM NY
I blame Bush. (there's a good pun in there, if you're paying attention).
Thanks oplease! hehe
Posted by Hillary Pelosi @ 02/17/2004 05:38 PM NY
