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01/27/2004 Archived Entry: "NH citizen gets under Novakula's skin...."
NH citizen gets under Novakula's skin....
Just got off the phone with Symbolman - he was outside the Merrimac Restaurant in Manchester, NH where CNN is broadcasting, and he said things got a bit testy when Bob Novak came out of the restaurant, heading for the CNN bus.
Apparently, someone from the crowd got on Novak's case, calling him a traitor a few times. Novak went ballistic - Sym decribed it as a 'Lee Harvey Oswald moment' - and went over and shoved the guy, sending him sprawling.
TBTM might - might - have gotten it on videotape. Stay tuned.
More: Sym said that the guy is considering pressing assault charges. He told me that Novak really lit into him and the guy went flying - and he said the guy wasn't a little guy. Sym was standing behind the guy and caught him as he hurtled backward.
Sym got into an argument with Tucker Carlson about it afterward, and Tucker reportedly told him to 'Get over it' because Novak 'is an old man.' The guy who got pushed waited outside the bus for an apology, and Novak went into the bus and closed the door, refusing to come out.
Brad - the man who got shoved - was glad he got a reaction, because in his view, 'The guy is dirty - he knows he did something wrong,' referring to the Valerie Plame leak story.
Developing.... more details, if they come in, will be on TBTM.
Contact CNN. Ask them why, if it's so bad for a presidential candidate like Howard Dean to be angry, is it okay to have such an angry man on their payroll?
Update,9:23 PM: Brad Carr, the victim of the attack, has filed a criminal assault complaint against Novak.
Replies: 87 people speak up
Gotta give Bob "The Teeth" Novak credit for being bad-assed. Coming from a working-class, Brooklyn background, I admire his violent manliness. Could Novak be a closet Joe Pesci?
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 01/27/2004 06:36 PM NY
That Traitor Bob Novack!
Posted by kelley b. @ 01/27/2004 06:36 PM NY
His violent madness?
Posted by Joe Briefcase @ 01/27/2004 06:37 PM NY
Now we know that being branded a traitor bothers him. Wonder how A__Hole suits him. Keep up the great work.
Posted by Starr Jones @ 01/27/2004 06:40 PM NY
What's a "Lee Harvey Oswald moment"? Did Novak run up to the sixth story of a nearby building and start shooting?
At any rate, after three years in hell, there is much to gladden the heart these days. Assault charges against the Prince of Darkness? 'Tis a consummation devoutly to wished.
Video would be even better.
Posted by Irfo @ 01/27/2004 06:49 PM NY
Google Bomb Bob Novack the Traitor.
Posted by kelley b. @ 01/27/2004 06:52 PM NY
What's with all of the violence? People shouting insults at Dean, now the Novak thing...
Who's behind all of this?
Posted by nnotm @ 01/27/2004 06:52 PM NY
Oh, I would pay lunch and dinner money for a week to see that video, followed by the one where he's being led out of court in an orange jumpsuit...
Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please...
Posted by Nina @ 01/27/2004 06:57 PM NY
is there a legal fund I can contribute too?
Posted by ron g @ 01/27/2004 06:59 PM NY
Next time, ask him who told him Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife was a CIA agent... the little runt knows...
Posted by Farmer Fred @ 01/27/2004 07:05 PM NY
Sticks and stones may break my bones but the Bush economy is killing me. C'mon Bob - grow up. If you can't take a little dissing for having a few overseas US agents killed in your efforts to help Bush minor, then go and get a real job. I'm sure one of the twenty jobs created in your state last month could be filled by a violence prone dullard like yourself.
Posted by Faun Otter @ 01/27/2004 07:07 PM NY
Must see TV?
Posted by RF @ 01/27/2004 07:09 PM NY
It would be like Don Zimmer on Pedro Martinez... if Zimmer were a traitor, that is.
Posted by ahem @ 01/27/2004 07:15 PM NY
People are pissed at the media whores. They show up at public media appearances not to see the media stars, but to vent their anger. That's why I went to see Crossfire in my town.
Posted by Charles @ 01/27/2004 07:17 PM NY
Too bad it wasn't Al Franken he tried to tangle with: http://tinyurl.com/3cutq
Posted by melior @ 01/27/2004 07:22 PM NY
I would love to call Novak a traitor and inquire how his conscience is doing with the knowledge he may have actually gotten people killed. Hypocrital whore and a traitor indeed.
Just imagine Clinton pulled something like the Plame thing. He probably would've been impeached!
Posted by Noah @ 01/27/2004 07:41 PM NY
So, it's okay for the troglodytes on the right to call liberals traitors, but the second it happens to Novak, the little fascist goes ballistic.
Well, now he knows how it feels to be unfairly labeled -- except in this case it's not unfair.
Novack is a traitor to his country and his profession.
CNN should run him out of town on a rail.
Posted by Tod Westlake @ 01/27/2004 07:47 PM NY
Keep telling Bob the truth, He's a traitor to the people of the United States.
And tell Tucker Carlson that treason is not excused by old age
Let Bob sleep in the bed he made
Posted by Free American @ 01/27/2004 07:50 PM NY
Mr. Novak is doing what he does best. Cheat. Lie. Steal. He's made a career out of it. Yet he's still on tv. What kind of woman would actually breed with such a poor excuse for a man?
Posted by William T. Miller @ 01/27/2004 08:01 PM NY
Please give Mr. Novak a phonecall at his office. His phone number is 202-393-4340.
I am not joking. Give him a call and leave him a voicemail letting him know what you think.
Posted by Old Hta @ 01/27/2004 08:12 PM NY
Novak should count his blessings it wasn't me that yelled at him. :)
Posted by Les Dabney @ 01/27/2004 08:13 PM NY
My only wish would have been that Brad decided to haul off and pop that guy in the name of self defense.
It couldn't possibly happen to a nicer person.
Posted by hholli1 @ 01/27/2004 08:14 PM NY
Anger is so. . . un-American, Bob.
Posted by fouroboros @ 01/27/2004 08:24 PM NY
In the old days, they used to call him 'No-facts.' He hasn't changed his spots.
Posted by perverse @ 01/27/2004 08:48 PM NY
Novak looked distracted on Crossfire this afternoon. Maybe his traitorous behavior is starting to get to him.
Posted by Randolph the Red @ 01/27/2004 08:55 PM NY
Press charges! Even if it's a bit embarrassing because he's older. It might be the only way he pays for Plame.
Posted by Patriotboy @ 01/27/2004 09:02 PM NY
I did call Novak's office and left him a message, and my phone #; it will be interesting to see if the geezer actually calls back. BTW, I did call him a traitor, and a spineless blob of jello.
Posted by rasputin1952 @ 01/27/2004 09:15 PM NY
Jeez,
Lay off the goof. He's not only an asshole, he's an old asshole. He's so into attacking anything that poses a threat to the regime that sacrificed his honor. Not that he hadn't done so before by supporting positions he knew to be lies. He's got nothing left.(Or is that right?)
Posted by hylander @ 01/27/2004 09:17 PM NY
You have to press charges, mad monk. It might be the only justice Plame gets.
Did you know there was only one person who served time for somethimg related to Iran-Contra? His name was Bill Breeden. He was jailed for stealing a street sign--he was protesting his city's decision to name a street after John Poindexter.
Press charges against Novak. Do it for Bill Breeden. Do it for Valerie Plame. Do it for America. Let's make sure the guilty are the ones who are punished this time.
Posted by Patriotboy @ 01/27/2004 09:30 PM NY
Howard Dean should issue a statement regarding Novak: "Who's angry now?"
Posted by Burton @ 01/27/2004 09:34 PM NY
You could do interviews saying, "Valerie Plame's contacts who were rolled up by various secret police organizations around the world can't press charges against Novak. I can. Sure, his attack on me was not as serious as his outing of the covert agents--something that may have cost people their lives--but it's the only thing I can do to stop this reckless man."
You can remind the public of his crimes, again.
Posted by patriotboy @ 01/27/2004 10:01 PM NY
The old fart deserved it; Novak is no traitor. If someone were to accuse me of being a traitor, he'd better be prepared to take some heat.
Posted by Robert @ 01/27/2004 10:24 PM NY
The long, legal definition of assault: 1) v. the threat or attempt to strike another, whether successful or not, provided the target is aware of the danger. The assaulter must be reasonably capable of carrying through the attack. In some states if the assault is with a deadly weapon (such as sniping with a rifle), the intended victim does not need to know of the peril. Other state laws distinguish between different degrees (first or second) of assault depending on whether there is actual hitting, injury or just a threat. "Aggravated assault" is an attack connected with the commission of another crime, such as beating a clerk during a robbery or a particularly vicious attack. 2) n. the act of committing an assault, as in "there was an assault down on Third Avenue." Assault is both a criminal wrong, for which one may be charged and tried, and civil wrong for which the target may sue for damages due to the assault, including for mental distress.
Robert Novak, did you forget to take your Xanax today?
Posted by Military Brat @ 01/27/2004 10:38 PM NY
maybe bob novak had roid rage and bush in the SOTU was calling him out in order to blackmail him into keeping his mouth shut.
bob novak is a lot sexier now imo, what with the roids and the rage
Posted by nova silverpill @ 01/27/2004 10:42 PM NY
Why are these Republicans so full of HATE? The Guy Boob Attacked had better start hydraphobia shots ASAP! I saw Boob foaming at the mouth on Crossfire last week! Somebody put a muzzle on Bob, errrr,,oh that's right, Bush already did that!
Posted by Hubert @ 01/27/2004 11:00 PM NY
Novak and treason. Novak and treason. get used to it. Now try, Bush and treason. Bush and treason.
Posted by bigfoot @ 01/28/2004 12:15 AM NY
don't drag me into this!
Posted by Lee Harvey Oswald @ 01/28/2004 01:15 AM NY
There's also something called ``fighting words'' that make charges hard to press. In this case shove-backwards words.
Posted by Ron Hardin @ 01/28/2004 05:34 AM NY
Dear Mr Novak:
Stay away. We don't want your kind down here.
Sincerely,
Richard M Nixon,
in Hell (Ninth Circle)
Posted by Richard M Nixon @ 01/28/2004 06:07 AM NY
Mr. Novack owes an apology to the man in New Hampshire whom he pushed. He owes real journalists everywhere an apology for not respecting their code of ethics concerning the Plame "story". And he owes an apology to the Plames themselves, whose lives he put in danger.
Frankly, I can't see why this man is not on trial as a traitor to his nation.
Posted by GreenPartyVoter @ 01/28/2004 08:53 AM NY
Bill Breeden is an old friend of mine and a Great American. He has been a leader and a fighter in Southern Indiana for years and he gives great sound bites. He appeared in the local paper holding the stolen Johm Poindexter street sign in a photo that was reminiscent of the famous Geronimo photo. It was brilliant. The POV documentary that ran about him was inspiring.
The world needs more Bill Breedens.
PS Novak should rot in jail, then burn in hell.
Posted by jeff farias @ 01/28/2004 08:55 AM NY
You guys are the absolute biggest pussies.
I suppose Al Franken will be the recipient of your ire for tackling a heckler at a Dean rally... FROM BEHIND?
Good God.
Posted by lazytart @ 01/28/2004 10:50 AM NY
tart,
With all due respect, screw you.
You'd probably rather that we let Novak slide and excoriate Franken.
Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. We're coming for your bullying asses, get used to it.
Posted by editor @ 01/28/2004 11:01 AM NY
OOOOOOOooooooooooooaaaaaaa...
I love it when liberals talk like that...
Posted by lazytart @ 01/28/2004 11:03 AM NY
Lazytart,
Did Al Franken really attack someone at a Dean rally? When and where did this occur? Was the heckler injured?
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 01/28/2004 11:24 AM NY
Honestly, I don't know if he was injured or not. I believe the Dean rally was in New Hampshire. Covered in the NYP and other outlets.
If was some Larouche asshole, so I can't say that I blame him...
Posted by lazytart @ 01/28/2004 11:28 AM NY
I just called Novak's office. I wanted to tell them that his behavior was inexcusable and that he owes Mr. Carr nothing less than an on-air apology, but as soon as the word inexcusable came out of my mouth, they hung up on me.
Not only do they not want their listeners to hear the truth, I guess they don't want to hear it for themselves.
Posted by The Tater @ 01/28/2004 11:31 AM NY
New York Post?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Did the Post tell you about the knife Franken pulled on the LaRouchie? Or the machine gun that he had under the table??
Christ, not even New Yorkers take that Murdoch rag seriously....
What were the 'other outlets?' NewsMax? Free Republic? Lucianne.com? Drudge??
Seriously, son. Come back with a real news source.
Posted by editor @ 01/28/2004 11:57 AM NY
I doubt he'd know a real news source if it walked up and clobbered him...
Posted by Tina @ 01/28/2004 12:18 PM NY
Novak is a good man. He should have knocked a few of "Brad's" teeth out on the sidewalk.
Posted by parker @ 01/28/2004 12:31 PM NY
Lyndon LaRouche? Is that headcase still around? Christ, I remember him running for president back in the '70s. I could never figure out if they're rightists, leftists, or just plain schizophrenic.
Posted by Metropolitan99 @ 01/28/2004 12:33 PM NY
he's not running for president dickhead
Posted by heatseeker @ 01/28/2004 12:43 PM NY
how do you spell loser?
I spell it D,E,M,O,C...........
Posted by heatseeker @ 01/28/2004 12:48 PM NY
Um, right.
Well, believe it or not believe it. I just find hypocrisy SOooooooooo funny sometimes.
And, yes, that headcase LaRouche is still around. His supporters are pissed off because the democrats apparently won't "allow" him to debate anywhere. What a clown.
And, BTW, I'm a female. You know, "LazyTART"? Cordially,
Posted by lazytart @ 01/28/2004 12:50 PM NY
lazytart said: Well, believe it or not believe it. I just find hypocrisy SOooooooooo funny sometimes.
I suppose, then, that the Republican party has her in stitches.
Posted by The Tater @ 01/28/2004 01:17 PM NY
tart -
The Queen of England is holding LaRouche down, in cahoots with the Democrats!!!
Thought everybody knew that....
Posted by editor @ 01/28/2004 01:39 PM NY
"Novak is a good man. He should have knocked a few of "Brad's" teeth out on the sidewalk."
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."--Isaac Asimov
Posted by Tina @ 01/28/2004 01:39 PM NY
I always knew Count Novakula was a bruiser hiding behind that compassionate-conservative vail! I doubt Ms. Plame could get away with shoving Bobby for his "fighting words." I say take the sanctimonious Bushite to the cleaners.
Posted by Mike D'Amico @ 01/28/2004 01:41 PM NY
here's what i sent to cnn:
why can bob novak be allowed to physcially push down a citizen (bob carr) in new hampshire because the man thinks novak's part in the plame affair was bad?
how is it that you can call howard dean angry, but you're ready to let something as bad as illegal physical assault pass on one of your reporters?
by the way, tell wolf blitzer (who argued with dennis kucinich) that the us went to war against japan and germany in wwii not because we wanted to change their regime, but because japan attacked us directly, and germany, japan's ally, was at the time invading and occupying other countries. in otherwords, they declared war on this country first.
don't you guys give your anchors some sort of mental health screening before you hire them?
Posted by skippy @ 01/28/2004 02:13 PM NY
What on earth got into both Franken and Novak? If nothing else, this shows the media double standard about "anger."
Novak was taking Dean to task about not having enough self-control just a week ago. For the full dirt, click my homepage, or http://www.thecolumbiaunion.com ...
Posted by Hudson @ 01/28/2004 02:58 PM NY
Lazyfart, do you really believe everything that appears in print?
Posted by BigOkie @ 01/28/2004 03:11 PM NY
You all are missing one vital peice of information. Novak was shoved first. He just happens to be a little stronger than Brad Carr and was able knock him off his feet. I don't think what Novak did was right, but Carr should have thought twice before screaming at Novak and shoving him. As for Plame, she wasn't in danger, she had not been undercover in over 5 years! Do a little bit more research before mouthing off. Oh, and for the NY Post comment..I suspect you think the Enquirer is a real media source?
Posted by NH gal @ 01/28/2004 03:12 PM NY
NH Gal,
Who told you Novak got shoved first?
That ain't how I heard it - and my second pair of eyes was right there.
Gimme a cite on that.
PS: Your info on Plame is bullshit. I guess that comes from trusting the Post.
Posted by editor @ 01/28/2004 03:16 PM NY
your second pair of eyes are obviously aren't as good as my only pair of eyes. get use to disappointments, Novak isn't completely at fault on this one..sorry guys!
PS. my info on Plame is far from being bullshit. The Director of the CIA AND AMD Plame admitted several times that Valerie has not been an undercover agent for over 5 years and the reference to her name would only be "an inconvience while traveling overseas". AMD Plame touted his wife as a CIA employee throughout the entire Clinton Administration...so much for a cover.
Posted by NH Gal @ 01/28/2004 04:03 PM NY
You all obviously believe what you want to.
What's the point of debating with that?
Posted by lazytart @ 01/28/2004 04:14 PM NY
'Plame touted his wife....'
Oh, sheah, you're informed.....
'Mr. Plame's' name is Joseph Wilson.
Posted by editor @ 01/28/2004 04:24 PM NY
>AMD Plame touted his wife as a CIA employee throughout the entire Clinton Administration...so much for a cover.
huh? she outed herself because she was married to herself?
Posted by Glenn Ochs @ 01/28/2004 04:28 PM NY
A complaint? Maybe The Smoking Gun can get a copy.
Posted by Dr. Squid @ 01/28/2004 04:54 PM NY
Squid,
TBTM will have a copy of the complaint in a day or two.
Posted by editor @ 01/28/2004 05:00 PM NY
well... if TBTM did in fact catch it on tape, we'll have definitive proof who's got the better eyes. However, until I hear otherwise (like novak filing charges, CREDIBLE reports, etc..) I'll have to side with Carr, TBTM, Bartcop and Sym on this one.
Posted by djdissent @ 01/28/2004 05:07 PM NY
I was there - Brad shoved NO ONE. NOVAK was the antagonist, and YOU are a LIAR.
I doubt if you were there, you're a right wing shill and it's pretty obvious..
Let's stack witnesses and see who wins?
If there's anything I hate most it's a fucking LIAR.
Posted by symbolman @ 01/28/2004 05:57 PM NY
Same comments as at Eschaton
Sounds like simple assualt for Novak under New Hampshire's law
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/631/631-2-a.htm
Via eyewitness account on DU
"I ask Carlson, "Hey, how about *I* throw YOU five feet and see what happens?" He gives me this blank high school math class stare but within his eyes he can see that I'm serious and the little boy in there is saying, "Please don't do that... Please?" Brad repeats the offer"
But Symbolman and Brad may have committed the offense of criminal threat
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/631/631-4.htm
So after getting knocked down by a 60 year old man, big burly Brad wants to kick little Carlson's ass?
Please...
Posted by Ryan @ 01/28/2004 08:18 PM NY
Novak is an obvious scumbag, a big mouth, and an idiot.
If he's fired by CNN, -guess who- will bring him into the fold, right where he belongs.
The regime needs a few more good spokesmen. The fall away frequently, exhausted from all the lying.
Posted by Kicking some ass @ 01/28/2004 09:57 PM NY
Ryan: I clicked on the link describing the crime you suggest they may be guilty of. I'll bet you aren't a lawyer. Any dimwit-- well, almost any dimwit-- can tell the difference between "threatening to commit a crime against the person [or property] of" and merely asking a hypothetical question. Even if it's asked twice. There is also similarly no evidence of him, "By physical conduct, [attempting] to place another in fear of imminent bodily injury or physical conduct." There's nothing to indicate the guy so much as got in Carlson's face to make the statement.
If you want, I could always ask a real attorney, but for now, I'm willing to bet my common sense against yours. I mean, you *are* a right-winger, after all, ain'tcha?
Raijin>>
Posted by Raijin>> @ 01/28/2004 11:03 PM NY
NH Gal: Aside from being so well-informed that you make the mistake of calling Mr. Wilson "Mr. Plame," you also miss the point entirely. The point is that outing a CIA agent is a crime, and it's possibly punishable by DEATH. That's how serious it is. You also miss the point in that while she was no longer a field agent, she was still undercover, and her contacts in the field were outed by proxy. She just happened to be running a network that tracked the flow of WMD's in hostile regions-- in other words, a network that was doing its bit to keep your dumb ass safe. You really ought to be pissed about this, but apparently you'd rather be an apologist for a traitor. I guess you put politics before your own safety and the safety of everyone around you, though. My, but the browshirts have exceedingly loyal zealots these days!
Raijin>>
Posted by Raijin>> @ 01/28/2004 11:22 PM NY
While this incident is interesting,
it distracts fom the fact that the
real villain is the person who
leaked Valerie Plame's name to
Bob Novak.
Posted by TITANTWO @ 01/29/2004 12:10 AM NY
Ummm..the Franken incident appears to have been far less than an assault:
"Franken, a comedian and self-described liberal well-known for his attacks on the Bush administration and conservative-leaning media, helped carry out one of the disrupters. In the process, Franken's glasses were knocked off his face and broke in two. "
What he did at the Dean rally was no worse than what I've seen bouncers do when confronted with unruly patrons.
Posted by James @ 01/29/2004 01:04 AM NY
Quick question for our "dickhead" friend who calls him- or herself "heatseeker":
If Lyndon LaRouche is not running for President, then why did I see four "LaRouche for President" ads on my local CBS & NBC affiliates this evening?
Then again, facts have never been a strong suit of the conservatives.
Posted by The Tater @ 01/29/2004 01:28 AM NY
I saw Bob Novak on Crossfile earlier this week, and found him to be intensely mean-spirited. He looked BAD.
I'm wondering if he's getting a lot of heat from the Plame story.
Keep the pressure on.
Posted by Gleeful @ 01/29/2004 01:37 AM NY
Any you's guys know when they're bringin' Lee, er Bob, down to the parking garage??
Posted by Jack Ruby @ 01/29/2004 05:10 AM NY
When the liberals play the Neo-con game, the Neos get very angry. SOooo, lets bring on the game. When it is all over, the truth will prevail.
Posted by Valentin @ 01/29/2004 08:15 AM NY
Novak should be strung up by his balls. Traitor!
Posted by irastein @ 01/29/2004 12:40 PM NY
Why does Novak hate America so much?
Posted by Blondell @ 01/29/2004 01:20 PM NY
Called the Novak number. Nice woman answered. Asked her to ask Mr. Novak to please refrain from outing CIA operatives. She said sure. Nice woman. Hope Novakula gets it.
Posted by Ellen @ 01/29/2004 02:30 PM NY
"Ryan: I clicked on the link describing the crime you suggest they may be guilty of. I'll bet you aren't a lawyer."
Shocking..I didn't say I was.
"Any dimwit-- well, almost any dimwit-- can tell the difference between "threatening to commit a crime against the person [or property] of" and merely asking a hypothetical question.
Geting in someone's face and declaring angrily ""Hey, how about *I* throw YOU five feet and see what happens?" is merely asking a hypothetical quesion? Granted this would be up to the discretion of the prosecutor but that's not a mere hypothetical. You couldn't say to somone "How would like if I cut your throat or kicked your ass" and claim a hypothetical. This is also from symbolman's own account "We got up in his face and demanded to know what he was going to do about it" in reference to their initial questioning of Carlson.
"Even if it's asked twice. There is also similarly no evidence of him, "By physical conduct, [attempting] to place another in fear of imminent bodily injury or physical conduct." There's nothing to indicate the guy so much as got in Carlson's face to make the statement."
Wrong read above. Also from symbolman's account "...He gives me this blank high school math class stare but within his eyes he can see that I'm serious and the little boy in there is saying, "Please don't do that... Please?"
"If you want, I could always ask a real attorney, "
What's the need....I'm not the one with possible legal problems. Now I doubt Carlson would press charges because those things have a way of backfiring but the holier than thou BS about a big guy who got knowcked down by and old man then threats a little guy is too much for me.
"but for now, I'm willing to bet my common sense against yours."
Too bad...you lost.
Here ya go dipshit....the link to Symbolman's account.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1063384
Posted by Ryan @ 01/29/2004 04:44 PM NY
"he's not running for president dickhead"
No, of course not, dickhead. The title of President Dickhead is already taken.
Posted by Teaflax @ 01/30/2004 02:11 AM NY
Benedict Arnold Novak thinks he can do anything he wants because we have Emperor Bush in the White House. Novak is a traitor and the republicans are idiots.
Posted by Alley Cat @ 01/30/2004 09:43 AM NY
